June 28, 2004
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1 By Emile
Er, yout Ugga Bugga link is broken đ
June 28, 2004 @ 9:59 pm | Comment
2 By Sam_S
Oh, I really hate to open myself up to the replies I can imagine, but I have to say I really like the bumper sticker!
Love,
Sam
June 28, 2004 @ 11:43 pm | Comment
3 By Angry Chinese Blogger
Whatever happened to F astrix astrix K.
Where are your manner young man?
June 29, 2004 @ 2:11 am | Comment
4 By Simon World
Cheney joins the protest against Korean censorship
Richard doesn’t realise it yet but he’s got a great photo of Dick Cheney supporting Kevin’s new FUCK movement. Please join in the FUCKing fun. If it’s good enough for Dick Cheney, it’s good enough for you.* * If I had any Photoshop skills I’d be using …
June 29, 2004 @ 3:17 am | Comment
5 By richard
Emile, I can’t fix it. Sorry. Its uggabugga.blogspot.com.
June 29, 2004 @ 8:03 am | Comment
6 By richard
Fixed. Thanks.
June 29, 2004 @ 9:27 am | Comment
7 By richard
Sam, of course you like it: It’s aggressive, rude, nasty, reactionary, vengeful, inciteful, immature, self-righteous, demagogic, illegal (or at least in strong breach of congressional protocol) and ruthless. In other words, it’s Republican.
June 29, 2004 @ 9:53 am | Comment
8 By Sam_S
Well, Richard, I liked Kerry’s use of strong language, too. I guess in his case it’s refreshing and, uh, Democrat?
July 1, 2004 @ 7:09 pm | Comment
9 By richard
I liked Kerry’s use of strong language, too. I guess in his case it’s refreshing and, uh, Democrat?
What on earth are you talking about? I have never heard of Kerry using strong language along the lines of “Fuck yourself” in public, ever. Have you? Documentation, please. (And not something overheard by someone, as in “It’s a fucking hot day.” Saying “Fuck yourself” to someone’s face in front of everyone on the senate floor is not like a passing reference unintentionally overheard by a bystander.) If Kerry ever did something comparable, I’ll be disappointed and call him on it. I’ve been critical of him before.
July 1, 2004 @ 7:30 pm | Comment
10 By Sam_S
“What on earth are you talking about? ”
Hm. I could have sworn I read about it on this very blog. There was a minor brouhaha about Kerry’s language in a Rolling Stone interview several months ago. Another blogger commented”
“I still count your political resuscitation from the moment you dropped the f-bomb in that Rolling Stone interview in early December. It made you sound like you weren’t a typical politician; it made you sound like you weren’t a Yale-educated Brahmin. It made you sound tough, and voters like that.”
I thought it was as insignificant as Cheney’s recent duff. Reports of Kerry blaming “that sonofabitch” (his secret service guard) when he fell on skis were more disturbing to me. I’ve since heard that was a false report, but can’t verify either way.
“Documentation, please.”
Surely you can Google as well as I. Since it’s unlikely to change your opinion, I wouldn’t waste the time, unless you have an awful lot to waste.
But I suspect the other blogger’s right. Voters do seem to like a tough guy in the white house, be he D or R. Carter and Bush I may have been the last of the softies.
July 2, 2004 @ 8:15 am | Comment
11 By richard
I never saw it before. What did Kerry say, and whom did he insult? Sorry, if you want to make the claim you can provide the link. I’m sure you’re right, but the way blogging works, at least for me and as far as I’ve ever seen, is you present the quote and the link. You don’t just say you heard something and tell the readers to go do their own research. That’s an open invitation to rumor mongering.
July 2, 2004 @ 8:57 am | Comment
12 By Sam_S
“You don’t just say you heard something and tell the readers to go do their own research.”
It’s pretty widely known, Richard. My point, though poorly made, is two-fold. First, cursing is extremely common among politicians, and I doubt that youâre naĂŻve enough to think itâs not. Sure, the press can get some mileage out of it if they catch someone they donât like in a gaffe, but these guys are big people who run in pretty aggressive circles; ALL OF THEM. And itâs truly no big deal. Itâs just spin-fodder, which you can see from the headings listed in the popdex listings below. First (a), to deny that you, too, can be subject to selective perception due to partisanship leaves you open to all sorts of foolishness. Iâm sure you were reading when the incident happened, but it must not have registered at all.
Second, enthusiasts on either side are likely to regret their hyper-microscopic focus on every detail of their candidates life, because it will boomerang, only making the WHOLE political discourse more ugly, without adding a jot of political wisdom. Will Kerry be able to withstand the same kind of examination that Clinton went through, and that Bush is undergoing now? Why would you think so? Example: I bet youâre a basically upstanding guy. Let the nitpickers loose on every detail of your life and they can make you look like Satan himself.
After Kerry said âfuckâ in a Rolling Stone Interview, the references were hilariously transparent. Look at the headings referring to the same incident:
Refreshingly youthful and frank JK
âspunky John Kerryâ
aggressive, rude, nasty, reactionary, vengeful, inciteful, immature, self-righteous, demagogic, and ruthless JK: (in other words Republican?)
âCursing Kerry unleashes foul-mouthed attack on Bushâ
The citations are listed exhaustively here:
http://www.popdex.com/c/2484458
Iâm afraid the Rolling Stone archives are for pay only. The incident which disturbs me more is his verbal treatment of the Secret Service agents guarding him, but again, I do NOT think either case has a damn thing to do with whether heâd be my preferred candidate. The most comprehensive treatment of that incident is here.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/cussword.asp
See my point?
July 2, 2004 @ 8:43 pm | Comment
13 By richard
Let me repeat verbatim my earlier reponse to you, which still holds:
“What on earth are you talking about? I have never heard of Kerry using strong language along the lines of “Fuck yourself” in public, ever. Have you? ”
It struck me as a revelation: You really don’t see the difference between saying “Go fuck yourself,” directly to someone’s face (especially in public! on the Senate floor!) and saying to someone, “Bush is a fucking lousy president.” This is intereasting, as it’s at the heart of our earlier discussion about addressing people using obscenities. I see a huge diffference between the two examples in terms of civility. Had Cheney used the latter-type example, there would be little to no controversy. When you attack a person with those words of the first example, it’s bullying and it’s scary.
It’s okay, there’s no right or wrong here, just a matter of how you and I see the world and how you and I believe we should talk to the people in it.
July 5, 2004 @ 4:45 pm | Comment
14 By victor
FIGHT THE POWER DICKY!
FUCK BUSH!!!!!!
April 30, 2005 @ 4:26 pm | Comment