Since I left Asia, I’ve failed to keep up with all the good stuff at this site, which used to be a daily read for me (at the time, it had a different name). I’ll make it one of my 2005 resolutions to go there more often. For an intelligent, on-the-scene look at what’s going on in China, it’s one of the best sites out there.
January 22, 2005
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1 By JR
A big difference from bellevues hateful statements regarding Chinese people, referring the CCP as “running dog” in here can be quite moral, and patriotic if you are Chinese.
January 22, 2005 @ 7:03 pm | Comment
2 By richard
JR, quit the snipes at Bellevue, okay? We know how you feel, no need to keep saying the same thing. It’s okay to criticize him when you’re arguing with him, but don’t attack him out of the blue like this — it takes us off-topic and it’s a dumb waste of time.
January 22, 2005 @ 7:11 pm | Comment
3 By JR
Richard,
Please don’t take it as a snipe to your friend. The web site has a very interesting name that is often used by Chinese. I just want to state that if it is used in a wrong sense, it becomes completely “political incorrect.” (Some people hate this term.)
January 22, 2005 @ 7:31 pm | Comment
4 By richard
Bellevue, like you, is neither a friend nor an enemy. Just another commenter here, and all commenters should be treated with respect unless they’re far-right Republicans or Maoists.
January 22, 2005 @ 7:42 pm | Comment
5 By bingfeng
richard,
i have to say that you are not fair.
you have NEVER asked bellevue quit calling others name in this blog, it is always like that bellevue first calls others name, then the one got angry and only after that you jump into the debate saying the second person is wrong.
bellevue called me and BL (or JR) “clueless”, and you didn’t say anything.
bellevue called JRs name and i responded, then you ask me to stop.
it is not like someone is a liar in another blog and is not a liar in this blog. a liar is a liar everywhere, and you seems to refuse this because you somewhat like his comments about china.
by doing so, you greatly damage the credibility of this blog and eventually yourself.
i am not saying this to offend you, but to many people who don’t post here, this has become something unbearable and they will never say anything to you but just leave here.
if that’s what you want, fine. otherwise, show us your fairness.
January 22, 2005 @ 8:40 pm | Comment
6 By richard
Calling someone “clueless” is no big deal (unless the person is me). And he said it in an argument with you. Here, there is no argument with Bellevue but JR just attacked him in a thread where Bellevue hasn’t said anything!.
Meanwhile Bingfeng, be rational — I did NOT delete JR’s comment, I just gave him a warning that I would like him to not to attack other commenters out of the blue like this, but instead he should stick to the subject. Is that okay? I always try to be fair. but I am afraid I cannot please everyone all the time. And please understand, I sometimes cannot read all the comments I get, so they are not all policed.
January 22, 2005 @ 8:44 pm | Comment
7 By Patrick
Richard,
Well, perhaps this is off-topic from the “war” going on in your comments, but Running Dog is one of my absolute favourite China sites. Glad to see you concur.
January 22, 2005 @ 8:47 pm | Comment
8 By richard
Patrick, I have always loved that site. In my last week in Asia, I tried to meet up with the site owner in Shanghai but I couldn’t, a real disappointment. They are absolutely great.
January 22, 2005 @ 8:50 pm | Comment
9 By JR
It is my first time to hear this web site. My first impression was, what a great name.
I don’t know who the site owner is. However, I don’t believe the person is a native Chinese speaker. While “running dog” is a unique Chinese expression, it seems to sound good to call the CCP running dog. However the term in Chinese actually means people who collaborate themselves with bad people/traitors or people who work under a corrupted government. It is similar to “lap dog” in the English sense.
My first impression was “ok this guy knows China” but now to call a site for example lapdog.com, it may have an opposite effect.
January 22, 2005 @ 11:01 pm | Comment
10 By bellevue
I have visited ‘running dog’ site before but this time I found some new treasures under books. A great site.
For those who believe the site owner refered ‘running dog’ to CCP, I have to lament over his pathologically lack of sense of humor.
Not a surprise. Americans pay comedians dearly to insult themselves. China incarcerated those who dare to ridicule. Sad, even in US someone still can’t get it. They better ye luo gui gen.
January 23, 2005 @ 12:27 am | Comment
11 By Lisa
I may completely botch this attempt at explaining why “running dog” is a funny name for us in the west…but there was a time, at the height of the Cold War, when we heard a lot of propaganda coming out of the PRC along the lines of, “capitalist running dog lackies of the imperialist American global hegemonists” and so on. So, it’s taking an insult and turning it into a joke.
I may start a web site and call it “Paper Tiger,” now that I think about it.
January 23, 2005 @ 1:11 am | Comment
12 By bellevue
You’re right, it’s just that.
January 23, 2005 @ 2:32 am | Comment
13 By JR
Lisa,
Political aside, that is a perfect example of a correct usage of the word “running dog”. A lot of time, it refers to talented people who give up their integrity to join the evil force. Smart people who are willing to be used as a tool. For example, Andrew Sullivan may be called a running dog for the Bush White house to oppress gay rights(?just an example)
January 23, 2005 @ 5:00 am | Comment
14 By lisa
I myself am a running dog lackey of the decadent Hollywood entertainment complex…
January 23, 2005 @ 12:25 pm | Comment
15 By haikou homie
i’m an ex-running dog from mad husbands and i especially enjoyed (past tense) the early morning “hair of the dog”!
But alas! That was in the past many years ago now I’m just a dog!
January 24, 2005 @ 5:34 am | Comment
16 By bellevue
In Chinese BBS, ultra-nationalists are called Fen Qing (angry youth), so they countered that all those showing fondness to US are America’s running dogs (Mei Gou).
That made me adopt a nickname ‘Americanine’.
January 24, 2005 @ 6:43 am | Comment
17 By JR
Oy! What did my adorable American born puppies ever do to deserve comparison to a dweeb? 🙁
January 24, 2005 @ 1:02 pm | Comment
18 By JR
Lisa,
Talking about Hollywood entertainment complex, there was a plan to rejuvenate the Hollywood Blvd right around the Manns Chinese theatre and the building of a huge entertainment center. I miss living in LA, all those wonderful Asians and friendly Hollywood people.
January 24, 2005 @ 1:14 pm | Comment
19 By pete
After the flair up over the anti-Japanese “no entrance” signs in Xian and Shenzhen, now I have seen a similarly repugnant bit of Chinese attitude. An advertisment board for a restaurant in Dalian showing a picture of the 9/11 Twin Towers on fire. Nice thoughts.
January 24, 2005 @ 10:17 pm | Comment
20 By JR
Pete from Dalian,
To be fair, I believe there are even more no Chinese or foreigners allowed signs in Japan. And what was the motive for that 911 Twin Towers advertising sign for a restaurant? I don’t get it. Do you have a pic of it?
January 24, 2005 @ 10:32 pm | Comment
21 By bellevue
pete:
Please post that picture and let us know. Thank you.
January 25, 2005 @ 12:26 am | Comment
22 By bellevue
Pete:
Perhaps you don’t know, in prior to 911 attack two Chinese army colonels published a book “Unrestricted Warfare” and it became an immediate bestseller in China.
To quote a review by Amazon:
“As incredible as it may be to believe, three years before the Sept. 11 bombing of the World Trade Center a Chinese military manual titled Unrestricted Warfare touted such an attack – suggesting it would be difficult for the U.S. military to cope with.”
“Surprisingly, Osama bin Laden is mentioned frequently in this book. ”
Though hailed by many Chinese as a ‘breakthrough’ in countering American military supremacy, the book “Unrestricted Warfare” was not known to Americans until 2001. The language barrier between English and Arabic costed Americans dearly, and has been talked about since 911. No one talks about the barrier between English and Chinese this way. This, in my view, is not something we can afford.
The amazon link is here.
January 25, 2005 @ 12:55 am | Comment
23 By pete
Dalian sign.
I saw a print out off the Web of a picture of the sign, which of course was in characters. I was told the sign’s gist was “be thankful every day you are alive. come eat at our restaurant.” This could be wildly off, but that is what I got from 3 Chinese friends reading it. The 9/11 photo was on the left of the banner ad fixed on a corner building.
January 25, 2005 @ 5:24 am | Comment
24 By lisa fredsti
JR, the long awaited revitalization of Hollywood has actually happened…some good, some not so…the area has been cleaned up a lot and there is a giant mall thingie at the corner of Highland…not my favorite part.
And of course if you’ve spent time in LA you know that you can go out to the San Gabriel Valley and eat real Chinese food from just about every corner of China. Cheap and great!
January 27, 2005 @ 6:42 pm | Comment
25 By JR
Lisa,
You have to mention the food, don’t you. =)
I love the asian food in San Gabriel Valley and LA.
I want to list my fave places to eat in the east of LA area.
The best and authentic singapore style noodle in a tiny delightful singapore restautant on Garvey.
Hong Kong style western fusion restaurants on Garfield.
Hong Kong style dim sum, bakery and Cantonese restaurants in Monterey Park. (Rainbow shrimps, Lobsters with ginger and scallion)
The best California rolls (award winning) on Fair Oak, Pasadena.
Shanghai style breakfast and Taiwanese lunch specials on W. Valley. (soy sauce chicken)
Vietnamese pho, grilled Pork, Hainan Chicken, Thai honey grilled chicken in Alhambra.
kalbi and bulgogi in Glendale.
Don’t forget Penang and pad Thai on San Gabriel Blvd…
January 28, 2005 @ 11:06 am | Comment