Stupid,
China, Taiwan or Japan, we don’t need more wars. Jang talks like Ms Swan from Mad TV. I seriously doubt that the he/she/it is even “Chineses”.

February 12, 2005 @ 5:18 pm | Comment

That has got to be a satire, no one can be that irretrievably stupid. LOL

February 12, 2005 @ 5:27 pm | Comment

hey, isn’t he kind of blowing the secret mission, announcing in public that way?

February 12, 2005 @ 5:57 pm | Comment

So this time, I encourage all chineses all over the world to be united to uproot all young or old japaneses just like Israels uprooted all Canaans…We need an sophisticated organization(similar to Mossad organization in Israel)…We are blessed as much as God’s people Israel…

Whoever Jang is, he seems to be a raving…whatever the opposite of anti-semite is.

February 12, 2005 @ 6:00 pm | Comment

plus correct me if I’m wrong, have you ever seen “Jang” as a pinyin spelling?

February 12, 2005 @ 6:07 pm | Comment

Lisa,
I think Jang can be a Taiwanese name as Chang?

February 12, 2005 @ 6:13 pm | Comment

JR, you got me…I think they use Yale or Wade Giles a lot in Taiwan but I’m not familiar with those systems. It still looks weird to me though…

February 12, 2005 @ 8:37 pm | Comment

Yes, he’s certainly raving, David.

But he sounds awfully sincere and I think his comment is heartfelt — I don’t think he’s being funny or BS’ing us. God knows, I’ve seen worse over at the China Daily forums!

February 12, 2005 @ 8:41 pm | Comment

This just in: every race has idiots, every country has nationalists.

Fortunately, many of them are nothing more than teenage chatroom warriors, as I have no doubt our friend Jang is.

February 12, 2005 @ 9:17 pm | Comment

This just in: every race has idiots, every country has nationalists.

Indeed. Fortunately, China’s corrupt regime is not up to the job in Jang’s mind. Unfortunately, Corporate America is coming to the aid of CCP.

February 12, 2005 @ 11:52 pm | Comment

That comment appears to have been written by Gollum:

“our brothers Chineses to sustain their stamina against japaneses to recover our precioussssss…”

Yes, I know it’s not nice to mock foreigners for making English mistakes, but in this case I think it’s OK to make an exception.

February 13, 2005 @ 3:57 am | Comment

Tribalism is genetically hard coded into all of us and has been selected for (otherwise we wouldn’t exhibit it). All races and cultures are capable of extreme hatred of other tribes. Go to an English soccer match to witness. Or the Ghaza strip, or ask some republicans what they think of democrats and visa versa. This unfortunate trait of humans obviously has unpleasant consequences when one tribe gains superiority over the other. Humans aint pretty.

February 13, 2005 @ 4:55 am | Comment

Could someone please tell me what an “apt” Japanese is?

February 13, 2005 @ 6:02 am | Comment

Vaara,
that is so funny.

Dave,
White apt Japanese? It reminds me of the movie, “Apt pupil”… in that sense, my guess is “westernized” Japanese?

To me, most East Asians (non-native English speakers), Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese write in a similar manner when they write in English. The way the English sentences are formed and structured. Believe it or not, I can tell English is Jang’s native language. He is just mocking all of us.

February 13, 2005 @ 8:17 am | Comment

There is another interesting point in his/her comment. He quoted Israel several times. For me as an average non-native English speaking Asian with no specific interests in Middle East politics, I have heard the word “zionism” for long time. I remember there was a neigborhood Church named “Mount Zion”. However, I only knew the meaning of Zionism about 3 or 4 years ago, when I accidentally listened to Rush Limbaugh. The word “Mossard”, I think I heard of this word about 2 years ago, I still don’t hear and learn a lot of in America. Then again I don’t know much about Middle East politics. On the other hand, I seriously doubt if a lot of Mainland Chinese know what being Jewish means, let alone the other 2 terms.

February 13, 2005 @ 8:37 am | Comment

“We chinese are not humiliated easily for example Khun Sa (Chang Chi Fu), the golden triangle opium leader was an chinese. We are blessed as much as God’s people Israel.”

I don’t know what “Khun Sa” he was talking about, but I found a link on him below. Its interesting to note that the KMT was involved in it.

> 20 October 1999
>
> No: 10 – 21
>
> Back To The Past-Today
> 20 October 1969
>
> Khun Sa Arrested!
>
> Khun Sa a.k.a Chang Sheefu, well-known militia chief of Loimaw, was
> taken
> into custody by the Burmese Army today.
>
> Khun Sa, 35, was in Taunggyi “to attend a special meeting” called by
> the
> Eastern Command. The meeting did not materialize, and he was detained
> by
> Col. Than Tin, the Eastern Command’s commander, instead.
>
> According to him, it was the “Kuomintang remnants” who sold him out to
> the
> Burmese by informing them that he was plotting to rebel.
>
> The KMT and Khun Sa fought for 3 days on the Laotian soil in 1967,
> later to
> be known as the “1967 Opium War”. They also fought again the following
> year
> in northern Shan State’s Monglern. Failing to dislodge Khun Sa from
> the
> fight over the monopolization of the opium trade, the KMT had resorted
> to
> “selling information to the Burmese”, according to Khun Sa.
>
> Khun Sa was to spend nearly 5 years in jail until he was released on 7
>
> September 1974.
>
> However, observers noted that Khun Sa knew beforehand that he might be
>
> arrested, and he anticipated it by getting in touch with the Shan
> State
> Army. As a result, most of his troops were able to escape disarmament
> by
> the Burma Army and join the SSA.
>
> “How could he know beforehand and then allow himself to be arrested?”,
> Khun
> Kya Nu, one of the skeptical observers questioned. He for one believed
>
> instead that Khun Sa was going through an elaborate planning for
> action
> against the Shan resistance, under the tutelage of the Burma Army.
>
> Shan Herald Agency for News.
al

February 13, 2005 @ 8:50 am | Comment

jang is a common korean name. besides being anti-japanese many koreans are also “over the board” fundamental christians.

jang could very well be korean.

February 13, 2005 @ 9:31 am | Comment

Whatever else it might be, it is stupid. It doesn’t merit attention or discussion.

February 13, 2005 @ 10:21 am | Comment

Maybe not, Pete. As I said, I didn’t want to blog and I put it up simply because it was so odd (but also interesting, and I believe it’s sincere).

February 13, 2005 @ 10:37 am | Comment

Good Lord, Jang. You’re either incredibly stupid, or a.. very distant type of funny. Let’s hope it’s the latter, so we can just pity instead of fear people like you.

February 13, 2005 @ 11:23 am | Comment

Why do Chinese hate the Japanese so much? Sometimes in my more cynical moments I think that the main reason is simply that that they beat them at their own game. Japan has been more successful than China, not only in war, but practically everything else as well. A tiny country they think they should rightly be able to hold in contempt, turned out to be richer, smarter and more successful than the Middle Kingdom. What a loss of face.

February 13, 2005 @ 11:40 am | Comment

Peter, see the thread where Jang left his original comment for some more insight into this question.

February 13, 2005 @ 12:13 pm | Comment

Jang’s rantings sound like that of a KMT nationalist evangelical Christian from Taiwan…possibly now living in California or New York. Why else all the Israeli references and all that talk about god? Why else would he consider Khun Sa a Chinese national hero? This is something more typically found in the forums of World Journal, not the People’s Daily.

February 13, 2005 @ 12:31 pm | Comment

schtickyrice, and that also explains why he doesn’t suggest, like any real patriotic Chinese mainlander would, to attack Taiwan. Even among the most rabid Chinese I have met, nobody is ready to declare war against Japan, Taiwan is the target. But even among the majority of those people, they aren’t quite ready to do the deed yet…

February 13, 2005 @ 1:07 pm | Comment

Why do Chinese hate the Japanese so much? Sometimes in my more cynical moments I think that the main reason is simply that that they beat them at their own game. Japan has been more successful than China, not only in war, but practically everything else as well. A tiny country they think they should rightly be able to hold in contempt, turned out to be richer, smarter and more successful than the Middle Kingdom. What a loss of face.

Posted by Peter at February 13, 2005 11:40 AM

Wrong, Chinese hate Japanese the same reason the Koreans hate Japanese.

February 13, 2005 @ 2:26 pm | Comment

JR

“A tiny country they think they should rightly be able to hold in contempt, turned out to be richer, smarter and more successful than the Middle Kingdom. What a loss of face.”

Come on, maybe this statement is a little bit overboard, but I’ve lived in mainland China for long enough, possibly longer than you if you left China when you were young, and the fact that Japan is a smaller country with a shorter history, but that it is more powerful is an aphemer to many Chinese.

‘Young upstart, too big for its boots, doesn’t deserve its prosperity.’

If Japan were poor and China could look down on it, maybe it wouldn’t hate it so much.

The same is true for Brisish colonialism.

Sure the war was the original reason for China’s feeling, but not for the continuation of them.

Maybe Jang is really a miss spelling of Jiang. Just a thought.

February 13, 2005 @ 6:58 pm | Comment

Still, it might be funny to watch China try to go to war with Japan without using nuclear missiles. China would have to get through the US on Okinawa shima before they could get most of their weapons in range of Japan, and then they’d face the Kittyhawk which, as I recal is armed to the teeth with US jets with long ranged weapons.

Then there’s the Japanese Air self defense force and maritime self defense force, which might not be battle hardened but would fight like wounded tigers to defend Japan.

It would be like attacking a much bigger, and more heavily armed version of Taiwan, only a lot further away and with a US carrier and Aegeis vessels already in situation.

Oh, and every free naiton on earth would imedietly put sanctions on China and bankrupt it.

People like that are living in a dream world with China at the center of it.

Japan and China need each other, one has investement capital and expertise, the other has growing internal demand and a near limitless labor market.

It is just plain stupid for people to spout this mumbo jumbo all of the time.

I would guess that this person might not live on the mainland, after all how many mainland Chinese people even know that King David cast the Kananites out.

Whoever he is, he has a relitevly fluid use of english depite some common errors, but he used Chineses as the plural of Chinese. Even poor english speakers usually pick this kind thing up quite quickly, I don’t think that I’ve ever heard a beginner from China, Japan or Korea make that kind of error. Chinese grammar classes are usually extermly good at teaching basics like that. Maybe he picked a lot of his english up outside the classroom.

The question does arrise, why is he writting about this in English? Has he written anything like this in Chinese? Maybe he doesn’t know pinyin.

February 13, 2005 @ 7:24 pm | Comment

Off topic.

Should I alert you folks of a more interesting development?

Can anyone make sense of Robert Kuhn, an American businessman on China government payroll, who apparently fell in love with the regime after 1989, and authored a bootlicking biography of Jiang “Jiang Zemin: The Man who Changed China”?

A Chinese journalist sees this as a shifted model of propaganda:

http://anti.blog-city.com/index.cfm?d=14&m=2&y=2005

February 14, 2005 @ 4:15 am | Comment

ESWN has a good post about the book.

February 14, 2005 @ 7:01 am | Comment

Richard:

Thanks for the link.

My link is from a reader who bought the book (Chinese version) before Spring Festival holiday and was amazed by his reading experience, according to him, like ‘reading Kim Jung-Il’s official biography’. He also provided some background of the book.

I just found the book on sale at Amazon. Wondering if the English version mirrors its Chinese version (or shall I say Chinese original?). If yes, Kuhn definitely has done a great job in pioneering a new style in English language!

February 14, 2005 @ 7:23 am | Comment

ACB
you must be a pro-Taiwan independent one. You must know that we Chineses are united together for many era and because of the partial unjust government of Mainland China, we shouldn’t rent our Mother Land China. You know why the Republic of China (KMT founder) was established. It’s because they couldn’t stand renting our mother land by apt japaneses. Our Mother Land could have been rented but owing to the help of the other righteous nations, we recover some lands but we lost korea land forever from the face of our mother land. Right now we may be ready or not to war against japan empire but we will win japan empire if we don’t have dissension among us by imparting our utmost help on our nation. But if you ‘re a pro-japon empire then you’re a betrayer then we would regard you as an apt japanese.

Char
You must be a christian japanese but we wouldn’t spare you neither for the blood which our forefathers shed are upon your generation forever. The debt between you and us are more heartfelt because you japaneses seem to be like ones of our ancesters’s real brothers’s descendants. But I don’t care anything about you but to slaughter all of your tribes to satiate our sentimental agony and to proclaim our dignity

Chengb02 ŒZ’í/‘åšF
Perhaps you’re right that we ain’t ready to slaughter them yet because we still need to acquire knowledge and wisdom to become the most powerful nation in the world then we flick all japaneses out of existence. For the Taiwan issue, peace of unity between China and Taiwan would be available in the near future as Mainland China is going to be the most powerful nation among many nations.

Peter
You are a very stupid japanese man so go and read my first article. Why? Stupid dude, for all the apts army lead by your tiny apt monster monarch robbed, raped, killed, etc our forefathers while our forefathers’re unconcious and weak because of the wicked opium of british empire. England resorted this opium upon chineses because they coveted the wealth and prosperity of china. So it’s not fair to say such a stupid speech. If you all japaneses dare, challenge us now or we would challenge you in the near future to eradicate you all HaHaHa.

JR
If you are a chinese, you’re a betrayer of your own mother because you seem to be a pro-japanese empire. Your stupidity is exceeded above your forefather’s as you pretend to be a so called omniscient god by predicting who I was by “The way the English sentences are formed and structured. Believe it or not, I can tell English is Jang’s native language.” It’s totally wrong. “China, Taiwan or Japan, we don’t need more wars. Jang talks like Ms Swan from Mad TV. I seriously doubt that the he/she/it is even “Chineses”. ” No doubt, every chinese hate japanese if they were born by blood except brazen betrayers. Therefore the conclusion is I’m a chinese and english is not my native language. There’re many successful warlords outside china, just like I posted it before to proclaim that our ability to adapt well in any place in any country as a leader/chief/top bussinessman(Lee Kwan Yu/Ho Chi Minh/ Khun Sa/Lo Hsin Han/etc) in any field is very much obvious rather than any other races upon this earth.

Richard ŒZ’í/‘åšF
I’m a Myanmar Nationality
Thanks you
May God bless all chineses

February 14, 2005 @ 7:55 am | Comment

Well Richard, congratulations. Peking Duck has got to be number one for getting wacko posts as far as English language blogs.

Yknow, the rest of us have had our disagreements and perhaps resorted to name-calling in the past, but no one has spouted childish vitriol like this. This guy is clearly what Shanghai slim called a “teenage chatroom warrior”. And if he’s not a teenager, then he doesn’t even have an excuse for making the outlandish (and completely inaccurate) descriptions of everybody above.

February 14, 2005 @ 8:29 am | Comment

Dave, I’m flattered — my blog is flypaper for freaks!

Jang, I just decided you’re a bullshitter. You just wrote some very elegant sentences in your last comment, including some colloquialisms that indicate your excellence in written English:

Perhaps you’re right that we ain’t ready to slaughter them yet because
we still need to acquire knowledge and wisdom…

No one who knows how to use “ain’t” like that is unaware that we don’t say “chineses.” So what’s your game?

Readers, sorry that wasted your time with this, but I simply can’t do good blogging right now and at least it’s got some entertainment value.

February 14, 2005 @ 9:37 am | Comment

Richard

Sorry your place is not worthwhile (filled with scoffers, liers, boasters, etc) so I won’t answer you anything anymore. You’re not flattered ,only appreciaton but you’re not up to my appreciation. This place must be all japanese morons association pretending to be the best, HaHaHa
I don’t associate with any japanese
(http://www.chineseholocaust.org/edu1.html)

Hope to see you soon HaHaHa

February 14, 2005 @ 10:09 am | Comment

The Peking Duck — flypaper for freaks.

February 14, 2005 @ 10:58 am | Comment

Hope to see you soon HaHaHa

Evil villian cackling… gotta admit, the man has style.

February 14, 2005 @ 12:05 pm | Comment

With regards to the pinyin/Wade-Giles spelling comments … “jang” isn’t possible in pinyin, but is perfectly possible in Wade-Giles. In pinyin it would be spelt “rang”.

I too doubt the authenticity of Mr Jang … I’ve known people from Burma, and they don’t speak English like that. On the other hand, that wierd mix of colloquial English and poor grammar is something you find in some asians who moved to the west when they were too old to learn English as native speakers, and ended up in some low-class highschool somewhere, where the English they learnt wasn’t exactly standard. It’s a possible explanation anyway. Actually, he reminds me in scary kind of way of the transcripts I read of the police interviews with an asian guy who had been arrested for killing his whole family.

As for his general argument that China should go to war against Japan, and that Chinese should hunt down Japanese everywhere … well, I will merit it with one response, though it probably doesn’t deserve it. The Japanese have proven themselves to be considerably better at war than the Chinese … and we’re all fortunate that Japan (at the moment) has turned its back on that past-time. It strikes me as a very bad idea to prod a wasps’ nest with a stick.

February 14, 2005 @ 6:15 pm | Comment

One more thing I forgot to mention. Burma does have its own breed of fundamentalist christians … I know a guy who has been up there a couple of times in recent years to teach classes in new-testament Greek (and maybe Hebrew?).

February 14, 2005 @ 6:17 pm | Comment

Great comment, FSN9. I’m still skeptical that he’s native Chinese — some of those phrases were just too perfect, and utterly incongruous with the tortured grammar he was intentionally using to fool us. (Just my theory.)

February 14, 2005 @ 6:18 pm | Comment

“11:16:52 PM EDT
Feeling Angry
Hearing lee greenwood Mr BUSHS historic SPEECH

last nights press confrence was a great and historic moment for Mr Bush and it showed how much he cares for all Americans. when he talked about how he wanted to hug the troops and there familys i got a little choked up and my wife started crying and rejoiceing. and when he said we WILL STAY THE COURSE i shouted so loud that i could hear the mini blinds rattleing. this man is TRUELY thinking about the future of our country AND the future of our children.

Speaking of children i been sitting in the backyard all afternoon drinking some beer and watching my boy Clint play with the neighborhood kids. i tell you what…these boys are REAL patrotic and love playing solders. theyve all got on their camoflag hunting outfits and right now there playing the HUNT FOR SADAM. i had to get up and seperate them because they was fighting over who got to play President Bush. Clint finaly won out because he got so much admiraton for our president. anyway NONE of them boys wanted to be sadam so they finaly talked that little retarted boy down the street into playing him. they tied one of grandmaws old wigs under his chin like a beard and took a magic marker and drew some bushy eyebrows on him. they even dug out a spiderhole in the field and stuck him down in it so they could re enact that historic moment. i even let them sit our lawn jockey statue up on the septic tank pump so they could tie a rope to it and TOPPLE it to recreate history. i tell you what…when i see children showing off American pride like this it gives me a lot of hope for our countys future”

“9:42:44 PM EST
Feeling Angry
Hearing the judds greatest hits Vol. 2 MORE computer PROBLEMS

i aint been able to do much writing on this website latly since the dam computer been acting all crazy and freezing up on me. it all started last week while i was bidding on another one of them Passion of the Christ movie nails on ebay when some son of a bitch sneeked in and outbid me at the last second.. i got so mad i kicked the dam computer box against the wall and now its making grinding sounds and i smell something getting hot. like theres some wires or tubes burning or something. my neighbor told me i ought to try spraying some wd-40 in all the cracks so i did. . . and even emptyed half the can inside the cd hole to just to get EVERYTHING lubricated good. well that still did not work and to make matters worse my wife started throwing up from smelling all them wd-40 fumes. and my boy got allegys so he was having to sleep on the porch for a few nights and ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH. so i went back to the flea market and told the old man that sold me this piece of junk to give me my dam money back. the old man said he dont give refunds but he could give me a packerd bell printer and maybe throw in a free cb radio antena and a case of pork skins which was a good deal but it wont what i wanted. i said HELL NO ,,,,YOU WILL GIVE ME MY DAM MONEY BACK AND GET TO KEEP YOUR TEETH IN YOUR HEAD…. and then he seemed to like my deal a whole lot better. so he give me my 75 dollars and i went down a few tables and bought this used one off some cock eyed Mexican boy. i went home and got it hooked up but i dont think it works much better than my old one. its pretty slow and i can see smoke coming out of the back. my cousins coming over to take a look at this thing but if he cant fix it then i know a ugly little Mexican whose fixing to get his ass whooped”

“11:16:52 PM EDT
Feeling Angry
Hearing lee greenwood Mr BUSHS historic SPEECH

last nights press confrence was a great and historic moment for Mr Bush and it showed how much he cares for all Americans. when he talked about how he wanted to hug the troops and there familys i got a little choked up and my wife started crying and rejoiceing. and when he said we WILL STAY THE COURSE i shouted so loud that i could hear the mini blinds rattleing. this man is TRUELY thinking about the future of our country AND the future of our children.

Speaking of children i been sitting in the backyard all afternoon drinking some beer and watching my boy Clint play with the neighborhood kids. i tell you what…these boys are REAL patrotic and love playing solders. theyve all got on their camoflag hunting outfits and right now there playing the HUNT FOR SADAM. i had to get up and seperate them because they was fighting over who got to play President Bush. Clint finaly won out because he got so much admiraton for our president. anyway NONE of them boys wanted to be sadam so they finaly talked that little retarted boy down the street into playing him. they tied one of grandmaws old wigs under his chin like a beard and took a magic marker and drew some bushy eyebrows on him. they even dug out a spiderhole in the field and stuck him down in it so they could re enact that historic moment. i even let them sit our lawn jockey statue up on the septic tank pump so they could tie a rope to it and TOPPLE it to recreate history. i tell you what…when i see children showing off American pride like this it gives me a lot of hope for our countys future

Written by bigstumpjumper (Link to this entry) ”

It takes a lot of talents to write like Bigstumpjumper. Jang reminds me of Big, too bad Big is not writing his journal anymore…

February 14, 2005 @ 9:33 pm | Comment

“10:27:27 PM EDT
Feeling Angry
Hearing willie nelson LIBRALS guns & POISON fish

now ive heard it all. i was sitting in my truck this morning drinking some tang and listening to the Christian news staton when a libral nut called in and said that john kerry was a ENVIROMENTAL CHAMPON. this means that ol horsehead would spend more time plotting with the treehuggers to save the whales and less time fighting the godless terorists. the librals care WAY to much about stuff like that dam imaginary hole in the ozone anyway. what they ought to be more concerned about is that big hole the terorists made at ground zero.

and why the hell should i care about the hoot owls down in the african rain forest anyway? if the africans would smarten up and HUNT and eat them dam birds then sally strothers and the libral beggars wouldnt always be on tv asking for my hard earned money

speaking of hunting…..its also a proved fact that kerry and kenedy and all the rest of them democrats want to take our guns away from us. with all the terorists sneeking into the USA you aint going to take away THIS patriots guns! and not only do they want to take the sport of hunting away but they want us outdoorsmen to STOP FISHING! the librals keep crying about mercury in the water and mecury in the fish and saying not to eat it…..well THE HELL WITH THAT. me and my family fried up a whole mess of brim fish that i caught in Deep River last week and i didnt taste no mecury or chemical run-off from them High Point furniture factorys neither. they say theres alot of sewage in that river but there wont that much on the fish i caught. some of it was probably river mud but it all washs off just the same anyway

besides mercury aint so bad…..its just MORE LIBRAL SCARE TACTICS to raise taxs and the cost of living and now us regular citizens are starting to suffer. just last winter my boy and wife come down with the flu so i went to the drug store to get a thermometer. the only thing i could find was these dam expensive electric ones and i told the pharmasist that i wanted a REGULAR cheap one and he told me they had to quit selling them because they had mercury in them! i couldnt hardly beleive it! my mama used them mecury ones on me…..and even acidentally broke one off in my rectum…..and i turned out just fine. so because of the dam left wing NUTS i had to pay $7.50 for a thermometer which should have only cost ONE dollar. dam was i mad! just another reason to vote republican”

http://journals.aol.com/bigstumpjumper/BigStumpjumpersnewspage/

February 14, 2005 @ 9:41 pm | Comment

Perhaps Filthy No. 9 should have viewed the amusing Seaman Ship For Love JMSDF recruiting ad that made the rounds last year. The image of the Japanese military today is a far cry from what it was in 1937. Your comment also made me want to mention what I said earlier about man’s worship of power. In some ways, Filthy No. 9 and the Chinese nationalists he disparages are not so different. Both are adherents to the primacy of military might in engendering admiration and respect. Not to indulge in pop psychology, but I find that it is a base human instinct to fetishize aggression. Bloody wars of conquest bode ill for all involved, but win or lose, history validates the strong belligerent rather than the weak victim. In the end, I think the Chinese people would rather prefer to be feared than to be patronized. (Of course being rich is better than all of it)

That is not to say I in anyways share Mr. Jang’s preposterous notions about starting a pointless war immediately with Japan, but I echo his sentiment in empowering China. I once had an interesting talk with a nationalistic Chinese individual (an anti-green KMT supporter from Taiwan no less) on the merits of left-nationalism and right-nationalism. While left-nationalism is the ideologically palatable to many, he believed that it was an ideology of the weak and engendered contempt. At first, I vehemently disagreed but I am beginning to see the persuasion in his arguement.

February 15, 2005 @ 4:09 pm | Comment

scratch scratch scratch.

That’s the sound of me scratching my head at Jing’s comment. Even after re-reading my comment several times, bedamned if I can interpret it to mean what Jing says.

As for the POTENTIAL dangers of a remilitarised Japan … the CURRENT state of the Japanese army is irrelevant. It’s like writing off Britain in 1913 because she had a standing army of just several tens of thousands, as opposed to the continental powers who had massively bigger forces.

Perhaps I should rephrase my earlier comment: to those who are so keen for China to go to war with Japan … be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it. Is China going to be “feared rather than respected” if she embarks on a path of military adventurism that results in a bloody nose? Quite the opposite, I would say.

February 15, 2005 @ 11:25 pm | Comment

If a war break down between Japan and China, both countries will turn into shithole.
Japan will be extincted while China become a feces container

March 12, 2005 @ 11:17 pm | Comment

Richard,

I’ve read through some of the msgs posted on this board. I totally agree with you in what your saying about revenge being ugly in any form. And many Ex-Japanese Asians feel the same way – and we try hard not to harbour any hatred. But for you to comment on this issue as a 3rd person about something that is very personal to most Asians still, I feel is out of boundary. It is easy for you to talk about peace, but it is something that takes much effort from us to swallow and practice, knowing the history as we do, knowing what happened to our very grandparents and how it affects us still.

I always force myself to think about forgiveness and moving on when conflicting situations occur. But there was one occasion when I found myself getting very disapponted at a fellow Korean, when she showed her admiration for Japan. She married a foreigner (an American) and overall they had high esteem for Japan. I did not feel any emotion toward her husband for feeling that way (he had no reason to feel otherwise) but when i heard her say, we are wrong to dislike Japan and praise Japan for all its great achievements, it frankly made me want to throw up and also made me look at her in a different way, because her praises, contrary to what you may think, made me realize how narrowminded and disrespectful she is. It showed her lack of respect for her ancestors, and when I say ancestors, it’s as close as my father’s generation. What Japan did during its invasions and colonization was a crime against humanity. I would not hate a Japanese person per se, and must admit I have some close Japanese friends that I adore, but Japan as a whole (although I wouldn’t say it openly), I detaste. How can you isolate what it did in the past from what it is today. Culture is a collective thing and it inevitably gets influence by past history. It is a country that worships its leaders that used noble human lives for astrocit experiments – cut up people’s intestines while they are still alive to see the affect of their chemical experiments without anestesia, letting them just die in that tragic state, forcing innocent woman into sexual slavery – making them face 50 man a day in cruel sex. and I’m not just talking about tatoos on their bodies, they were not able to come back to their families or even their home country and they live till this date with horrifying memories. Millions of Koreans who died in harsh labor, forced to go to Japan, were not able to come back and they till date live in Japan under discrimination as second tier people. These are to you just someone from a different country, many who has already died, no relavance to you today, right? But to me they are my brothers, sisters, parents and grandparents.

But Japan is saying today, stop winning about something that happend in the past, and what’s more, that it didn’t even happen. They apologized? ONLY in EMPTY WORDS, which is worse than mockery. The very same day they apologize, they go to warship the very people who commited astorcities to our grandfathers.

It is not HISTORY, not something that happened 65 years ago, but something that is still happening today.

We CAN forgive, Richard, but we shouldn’t FORGET. We shoud NOT forget but remember what has happened, out of respect for our ancestors and to console their sorrows. If we don’t, it only makes the millions of tragic deaths more meaningless.

As I said before we should not try to harbor hatred but it is also important not to forget, especially when so many has been wronged and so little has been set right till this date.

Joanne

May 10, 2005 @ 3:32 pm | Comment

There is another that I wanted to say, from the conversation I had with a fellow Korean, who wants to go and live in Japan because she like the country and the people so much (who I personally have low esteem for this comment). She mentioned she too gets angry when the Japanese government makes ridiculous comments internationlly (like claiming that Dokdo Island is theirs), but that she loves Japan. She is forgetting influence is a mutual thing. You cannot isolate what the Japanese government is doing from its people, Government acts on behalf of its people and say what majority of them wants to hear, as much as its people gets influenced by what the governmet says. If the Japanese people have the right values and decency to view history as is, do you think the Shines which worship “war criminal (in our view)”, woulc exist today?

If the Japanese people have the decency to see history honestly and set what is wrong, right again, they by no means would have placed influence on their governments to do the right thing. It is obvious in my view that the people themselves embody what their governent stands for.

This is why our dislike (I don’t want to use the word hatred) toward Japan is a collective thing. not just towards its government but to its people as well.

I hope you understand better where the current conflict between Japan and Ex-Japan Asia is coming from.

May 10, 2005 @ 4:07 pm | Comment

The Japanese are not our enimies you idiot. The Mainland are our enimies, they want to start a war, the the mainland chinese are evil. I want to declare against China.

September 12, 2005 @ 1:10 am | Comment

According to the reality,

Japan and China are all rotten smelly rubbish countries which exports dirty low quality whores all over the world.

Chinese whores and Japanese whores are cheap and are cheap labors.
Dirty garbages.

October 15, 2005 @ 4:07 am | Comment

I clean my shithole with Chinese people’s faces and Japanese people’s faces.

And then I flush them down.
May be there will be millions of Japaneses and Chineses floating in sewer.

October 15, 2005 @ 4:09 am | Comment

I know one European from England who visited Japan once, and he totally got disgusted with Japan.
Japan was not nice country and there were too many robberies, criminals, rapists, and even vandalists.
While his visit in Japan, nothing pleased him at all.
Also, he really got disgusted with Japan’s barbaric war crime during WWII.
Although he was not involved in the war, he said he can’t forgive Japaneses for massive barbaric crimes. He also doesn’t trust Japanese people at all.
One more shocking stuff is that he insited that Japan deserved a couple more atomic bombs.

After listening to his visiting, my dream of going to Japan has been ruined.

December 3, 2005 @ 9:13 pm | Comment

I know one European from England who visited Japan once, and he totally got disgusted with Japan.
Japan was not nice country and there were too many robberies, criminals, rapists, and even vandalists.
While his visit in Japan, nothing pleased him at all.
Also, he really got disgusted with Japan’s barbaric war crime during WWII.
Although he was not involved in the war, he said he can’t forgive Japaneses for massive barbaric crimes. He also doesn’t trust Japanese people at all.
One more shocking stuff is that he insited that Japan deserved a couple more atomic bombs.

After listening to his visiting, my dream of going to Japan has been ruined.

December 3, 2005 @ 9:13 pm | Comment

Sorry to revive this (extinctus threadus cretinasauros) but I just came across it and agree with an earlier poster that the issue is at heart one of jealousy.

China should be more economically powerful than Japan, but isn’t. It ought to have better technology, but doesn’t. Someone monitoring the development of both countries at the turn of the century might have logically concluded that China was bound to emerge as the dominant force. It didn’t – and since the Chinese economy is nascent, it won’t for a long time.

The reasons are complex, but I think that culture comes into it somewhere and of course, issues of cultural supremacy – ie: the ability to retain vestiges of an ancient and elegant way of life whilst simultaenously making trillions. Japan did this. China didn’t. Japan waged war and lost and then rebuilt. China waged war on itself and couldn’t rebuild in time. Nanjing was a disgrace, but Nanjing was a long time ago. Whenever I see Chinese on the streets of Shanghai throwing stones at Japanese companies because Koizumi visited a Japanese war-shrine, it seems to me that these people are not so much angry with Japan’s atrocious wartime past as bitter and embarrassed by their own country’s failure and comparative poverty.

Ireland and the UK have a similar (actually, far longer) history of mutual antagonism and bloodshed but both places are wealthy today – and they are friendly, also. China, move on. Forget Japan. Concentrate on yourselves. Strive to make that ‘5000 years of history’ thing actually mean something more than breaking the windows of a Japanese electronics company whose products you elbow past each other to buy because you still feel the Japanese are fundamentally better than you are.

August 6, 2006 @ 8:38 am | Comment