Chengdu? I saw footage several times last night on TVB of rioting in Shenzhen. They were targetting among other stores, Seibu. The interesting part of the footage was how little the security bureau was doing to stop the rioting. (might be able to find streaming video of the news at tvb.com or hkatv.com)

Also the TV noted that the protests in Shenzhen were partially organised via the Internet, which given all of the stories recently about the crackdowns by the Great Nanny makes me scratch my head and go hmmm…

April 3, 2005 @ 6:02 pm | Comment

Tom, this is exactly the kind of story the Cybernanny would encourage – the CCP has been fomenting anti-Japanese feelings, rightly or wrongly, for years. Now, if the people were organizing massive demonstrations via the Internet to attack the CCP, then I’d be astonished. Anti-government online protestors (“cyberdissidents”) are permitted to only go so far. Once they cross the unwritten line they are dealt with quickly and harshly.

April 3, 2005 @ 6:15 pm | Comment

Phyiscal violence toward Japanese owned business is pointless.

If China/Chinese people really want to put pressure on Japan, then boycott Japanese goods. That means everything, from electronic goods to automobiles.

The Japanese economic systems is not doing so well right now according to recent report by BBC.

Since Japan is an island with very limited natural resource, they rely heavily on foreign resources. Economic blockade would bring Japan to its knees.

Violence is not a good way to resolve issues.

April 3, 2005 @ 7:58 pm | Comment

For a bit of perspective, that Ito Yokado store located just off the busy pedestrian mall Chunxi Lu, is normally far and away one of the busiest department stores in the city. On any given weekend, it can look like the Friday after Thanksgiving in the States. Before major holidays, forget it. The basement supermarket is especially popular with lots of folks stopping to eat at the food court.

April 3, 2005 @ 8:36 pm | Comment

Hmmmmmmmmm…..
A fascist government incites its people to target an ethnic minority and fails to prevent it in order to divert attention to its own domestic problems (oh, while banning any such criticism of itself by its people). Where have we heard that before?

April 3, 2005 @ 9:39 pm | Comment

Chengdude, do you know whether it’s true that the mobs of angry demonstrators smashed the store’s windows? It’s been reported by several major media.

Keir, good points. 🙂

April 3, 2005 @ 9:43 pm | Comment

Anti-Japan Protests Spread To Shenzhen

As the Busheviks push for reform of the UN, one of their goals is to secure a Permanent Seat on the UN Security Council for Japan. If you check my del.icio.us links you’ll find a Financial Times story on South Korean objections to this plan. (Perhaps one

April 3, 2005 @ 9:44 pm | Comment

Again in China. The great Cyber Nanny made its effort to censor the HK Pearl TV news report of the anti-Japanese protests, altho some got through showing action in Shenzhen I believe.

It is somewhat reminiscent of the great protest effort after the US bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, organized probably by the CCP or its heavies and allowed by the national government. Needless to say BJ isn’t liking the pressure to counteract against its threats against Taiwan by the US/Japan combo and the equal status Japan may acquire if it is given permanent Security Council status.

My question for the Chinese is, “if Japan fully apologized for its invasion of China and its inhuman actions against the Chinese during Japan’s occupation, would BJ be willing to have Japan join the Security Council permanently?

April 3, 2005 @ 9:58 pm | Comment

I’m not sure why Westerners keep on insisting that the CCP is inciting hatred against the Japanese. Reading official CCP media outlets like the People’s Daily, I don’t see much that can be construed as deliberately inflammatory. The most inflammatory stuff pretty much all comes from online bulletin boards and other non-governmental websites. News about the 9.18 prostitution incident in Guangdong, the Xian skit incident, and most other such incidents that eventually led to protests all first broke on the various online BBS’es and were all initially suppressed by the official media until the news were so well spread that the government couldn’t suppress it any longer. I think the recent crack down on online BBS’es by the CCP is at least partly due to these recent incidents. We’ve also seen the CCP shutting down several anti-Japanese websites, the most famous one being the site petitioning against Japanese involvement in the Beijing-Shanghai high speed train project.

April 3, 2005 @ 11:14 pm | Comment

Here’s a link to some more photos (and a video, although my meager share of bandwidth prevents my comment), apparently taken by an American eyewitness and posted on his blog.

http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com/

Definitely some glass and other detritus left behind from the skirmish.

Disclaimer: from a quick glance through his posts it seems that, other than nationality and current whereabouts, I share little in common with this fellow.

April 3, 2005 @ 11:21 pm | Comment

“I’m not sure why Westerners keep on insisting that the CCP is inciting hatred against the Japanese.”

because that’s what westerners are looking for in their media. if we chinese tell them that the truth is CCP didn’t incite hatred against japanese, they won’t believe it, they won’t buy it, they won’t buy the media, the media that tells the truth will die …

just like chinese media. any chinese media that tells chinese that japan has their good sides and japanese government apoligized in several occasions will get eggs on their faces.

those hate-japan-all chinese and those everything-is-CCP-fault westerners are very much the same race, they only believe what they want to believe, and seek the “truth” that makes their egos satisfied, and if the “truth” doesn’t fit with their belief, they will just close their eyes.

April 3, 2005 @ 11:36 pm | Comment

My mother side of family is from Nanjing (or Nanking). While growing up I have heard many first-person encounters from my grandparents and relatives about the abuse they have suffered while the Japanese occupied China. Matter of fact, when the city of Nanjing was building a memorial about WWII in mid 1980s, my grandmother was invited to speak as an witness.

Yesterday I was at Border’s book store and spotted this:

“The Nanjing Massacre: A Japanese Journalist Confronts Japan’s National Shame” by Katsuichi Honda.

April 4, 2005 @ 1:09 am | Comment

Bingfeng,

There are different versions of this story just like Akira Kurosawa’s Rashomon, read Reuter and Chinese blogger’s version thru Richard’s link, and read the following version from FT. (note: the Chinese blogger said the riot broke out AFTER the security and police tried to stop the protesting.) I don’t think it was a CCP orchestrated demonstration but rather an internet based grass-root movement.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/2403c06a-a4a6-11d9-9778-00000e2511c8.html

“China web opposition to Japan’s UN hopes targets Beijing
By Richard McGregor in Beijing
Published: April 4 2005 03:00 | Last updated: April 4 2005 03:00

China’s internet-led campaign against Japan gaining a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council has begun to target the Beijing government itself because of anger over its failure to oppose openly Tokyo’s bid.

Chinese websites have by their own count collected 22m signatures against Japan’s UN ambitions in a campaign that has so far been sanctioned by a government sensitive to any form of political protest outside of its control.

The campaign spread from the screen to the streets yesterday, with a 10,000-strong crowd reportedly massing outside a Japanese-owned department store in Chengdu, a main city in western China.

The report of the demonstration, carried by Sina.com, China’s largest internet portal and an important backer of the anti-Japanese petition, could not be confirmed last night.

But it is consistent with the fury the internet petition drive has brought to the surface over what many Chinese consider is Japan’s failure to repent sincerely for its invasion of China in the 1930s.

Many internet users posting comments on Sina and other websites at the weekend turned their ire on the Chinese government for what they said was its weak stance on the issue.

Unlike South Korea, which has stated publicly it will not support Tokyo’s UN bid, China has not said it will oppose Japan taking the Security Council seat.

“How can China stand firm when its state leaders are all impotent?” said one online posting. “If China gives approval this time, state leaders will have no right to sit in their current positions – let them go home and embrace their kids.”

April 4, 2005 @ 1:37 am | Comment

JR

Japan has repented, China just hasn’t accepted it as being sufficient.

China will never accept Japan’s repentance as long as Japan can be used as a political tool. I notice that not one of these people appears to be old enough to have suffered under Japan, an increase in sentiment is just not normal, it is being fanned for political purposes.

Violence like this is simply not in the Chinese nature. This is not the China that I know and love, this is the work of sick people hoping to manipulate social frustrations and to rally support for a single unified cause.

To the world

10,000 people my A*SE. Local Police wouldn’t alow 10,00 people to protest, even against Japan. There is just too much risk of it turiing into a generic riot that would damage Chinese property.

Maybe 2000.

Anyway. Britain and Russia both have UN SC seat, and both of them committed more attrocities than Japan, and have not repented, even as a token.

Japan has issued more appologies than I can count, and even if you believe that tey are insufficient and meaningless they are still than Britian and Russia ever did. Japan is still paying reperations to China for its occupation, has Britain ever paid one cent.

Japan at least acknowledges that it invaded China and slaughtered millions,, most British school children have never even heard of the Opium war, and they know nothing of the genocide that was commited by their government over hundreds of years.

Neither are part of the history curiculum at any level below college history, if ever.

April 4, 2005 @ 3:09 am | Comment

I’ve been saying it for ages

The government has polirized many online comunities by censoring liberals but allowing extremists if they don’t go against the government.

In China you can publicly cal for the murder of Japanese citizens on the internet, and people who object risk being censored.

It makes it look like there is no opposition to this kind of thing, when in fact there is a lot of opositin, but it has not voice to peak with.

April 4, 2005 @ 3:12 am | Comment

The Shenzhen riot took place one day after Chengdu inccident, and left less damaged. One shop plaque or two was smashed, that’s it. The TVB coverage of the event was censored in neighboring Guangdong, preventing people outside Shenzhen from knowing it. Again, Internet plays a role.

Shenzhen BBS story is here.

Associated Press has 3 photos about Chengdu. One glass related is here:
A man kicks a glass window of a store belonging to Japan’s retail giant Ito Yoka-do in Chengdu, western China, Saturday, April 2, 2005. Thousands gathered around the store to protest against Japan’s bid for a permanent seat in the U.N. Security Council. Police later dispersed the crowd. (AP Photo)

It’s reported that similar protest/boycott was also going on in other cities during the past weekend. From the photos I got, the most peaceful one probably was in Qingdao (Tsingtao), where protesters stood in vigil with billboard. No Japanese business was targeted.

April 4, 2005 @ 4:21 am | Comment

I think it’s true that the great majority of Chinese naturally harbor deep feelings of resentment against the Japanese. It’s largely natural after the first half of the 20th century.

But, I also think it’s true that the lessons kids learn in school don’t exactly encourage Chinese students to “get over it” or “take the moral high road”. I often find the amount of intolerance that is *tolerated* in Chinese schools staggering. In the sense that the CCP controls the educational system (which they do), I think that in some very real ways they do promote anti-Japan sentiment.

And of course Japanese textbooks have their problems too.

April 4, 2005 @ 4:47 am | Comment

For anyone familiar with China’s coded political language, the People’s Daily editorial published on 25th showed a clear green light to those protesters, so they won’t confuse themselves to believe that they can now enjoy the freedom of protest. When it serves government’s political agenda, yes. Otherwise, swift response will be served. There should be no ambiguity here.

The said editorial page from Xinhua. Note, on the same page immediately under the Op-ed, there is a link collecting signatures to oppose the Japan UNSC seat bid.

Xinhua is goverment’s spokesman. So, China’s government bets its own credibility on the seemingly losing cause. What’s next? What’s their exit strategy to save face? That’s tricky and very intriguing.

April 4, 2005 @ 4:49 am | Comment

Perhaps the most significant news on the weekend China was not the nasty anti-Japan violence. It’s not what really happened in China, but what didn’t happen.

Nothing contrasts China with the civilized world more dramatically and profoundly than Chinese’s cold response to the passing away of Pope John Paul II, who is viewed
by CCP ideologues as a sworn enemy of communism. (In fact Pope once expressed that in post-communist East Europe, people should not abandon those good values in communism. So the issue doesn’t seem like communism) The media there gave little if any coverage about what stirs the entire world. Meanwhile China’s crackdown against any spirituality shows no sign of stop.

They are right: their brutal regime can co-exist well with Giorgio Armani and Coco Chanel, but not Pope John Paul II or the 14th Dalai Lama.

April 4, 2005 @ 5:40 am | Comment

I am loathe to keep addressing this “Wang Jing wei” incarnate but you do realize that the overwhelming majority of Chinese are neither Christians let alone Catholics. Most people either don’t know who Pope John Paul II is or don’t give a flying fuck.

April 4, 2005 @ 8:03 am | Comment

That’s a diplomatic way to put it.

April 4, 2005 @ 8:38 am | Comment

“But, I also think it’s true that the lessons kids learn in school don’t exactly encourage Chinese students to “get over it” or “take the moral high road”. ”

good point, matt.

i was impressed when i saw a documentary of how japan attacked US at the memorial hall of peral harbor, i can not find any hatred in that movie and all the analysis are from the perspective of a third party.

it’s sad that both china and japan still can not get out of viewing that history from merely a national interest perspective.

it’s true that the government did not do a better job but i can not see any fault with the government revealing the whole pic of that history, as a matter of fact, what government did before is totally wrong – fail to tell chinese what japan did during the war for political reasons.

on the contrary to many people’s belief, the chinese government just “returned to normal” in recent years in history education.

and to be honest, the angry is not stired from knowing the past, but from knowing the present (japanese still worshiping those murderers who killed their forefathers in brutal ways).

April 4, 2005 @ 9:02 am | Comment

“It makes it look like there is no opposition to this kind of thing, when in fact there is a lot of opositin, but it has not voice to peak with.”

this is true, ACB. although there are some different voices, but most of them are suppressed by hate-japan-all public opinions

i learned from a person who visited taiwan a few weeks ago that there are 4 “classes” in taiwan, in which “aborigine” is the highest, they got a lot of benefits from DPP and therefore any one who dares to say bad words about DPP will be killed in the “aborigine” class.

in both cases, the government is a minor reason for the “tyranny of the majority”

April 4, 2005 @ 9:14 am | Comment

jr, thanks for the interesting article.

jing, i totally agree with you. it’s very hard for west-centered persons to understand what Pope John Paul II mean to chinese and chinese society. this kind of cultural thing is the hardest to understand…

April 4, 2005 @ 9:21 am | Comment

ACB,

First let me say I don’t condone this kind of violent behavior against the Japnese business in China, even if it began as a peaceful seating protest.

Second, you can’t assume that since the Chinese would never be contented with Japan’s apology, therefore Japan should never apology to China. Japan government should try at least once an OFFICIAL and SINCERE apology.

Third, The CCP was eager that the ex-PM of Japan offered a PERSONAL apology to China. However, it was NEVER AN OFFICIAL APOLOGY from the Japan government, not to mention a sincere one. How would you feel if someone says sorry to you and then spit in your face. (that is the Kozumei visiting the Yusakuni Shrine and whitewashing the WW2 history in Japans textbooks.) This issue will never be solved, and we will have the same discussion in here year after year if Japan does not plan to SINCERELY apologize to China.

April 4, 2005 @ 10:34 am | Comment

Well, when domestic tensions rise what better to do than bash the Japanese.

I saw the demonstrations in Chengdu and I managed to snap a few photos, but they aren’t availabe yet. In fact, the one on your page looks just identical to one of them I posted on anothers site.

I wonder what they will do if Japan does manage to score a seat on the UN Security Council. That should be itneresting.

April 4, 2005 @ 11:20 am | Comment

“Well, when domestic tensions rise what better to do than bash the Japanese.”

Gordon, what domestic tensions are in Chengdu?

April 4, 2005 @ 11:42 am | Comment

The attitude of Chinese government on the hatred towards Japan, which I personally feel justified and reasonable, is ambivalent.
The government that needs Japanese investment and techniques is reluctant to antagonize Japan publicly. However, the fast growing of already formidable Japanese military force, its intervention in Taiwan strait, its occupation of Diaoyu island and its increasing efforts of restraining the development of China in resources and energy all contribute to the tolerance (to some extent) of these anti-Japan activities.
The government uses the exhibition of the anger of the mass to press Japan, but it does not want to see this become a popular idea for ordinary people to express any other feelings.
In terms of the way that the anger is vented, the Chinese government is to blame for such violent and irrational behaviours, not because of its fomentation of the hatred, but its failure in the moral teaching of the new generation of Chinese people.

April 4, 2005 @ 2:23 pm | Comment

Just for clarity’s sake, I never said the CCP fomented this riot. But they have consistently fomented the anti-Japanese mentality — if only by allowing it to thrive unhampered, while silencing opinions on many other issues.

Bingfeng says: The government uses the exhibition of the anger of the mass to press Japan, but it does not want to see this become a popular idea for ordinary people to express any other feelings.i

If that’s their strategy — to move Japan to apologize by showing how angry Chinese people are — it’s not working and never will. As to your statement that the government doesn’t want ordinary people to express their feelings about this, I have to ask: Then why don’t they censor the message boards, like they do when people talk about Zhao Ziyang, Tiananmen Square, democratic elections, the Pope and Falung Gong? Why the inconsistency? The CCP always show the same reaction when people are not doing what it wants them to do — it tries to force them. If they didn’t want anti-Japanese diatribes on the Net, they’d censor them in a heartbeat.

April 4, 2005 @ 3:29 pm | Comment

Sorry for my bad English. It should be: it does not want to see this “kind of violent demonstration” become a popular idea for ordinary people to express any other feelings.
Yes, you are right. The CCP censors whatever may upset its ruling and makes use of whatever may help its purpose. However, this kind of game playing is really ironic and dangerous. It actually damages the credibility of those protests and petitions and the crackdown on discussions of any sensitive issues may well lead to a big repercussion one day, which is the least wanted thing in nowadays China.

BTW, I’m Bing, not BingFeng

April 4, 2005 @ 4:45 pm | Comment

I have to say I was disturbed to say the least to read ACB’s comments that Britain has “committed more attrocities than Japan, and have not repented, even as a token”. What? The mother of all Parliaments that spread democracy, buttered scones, Shakespeare, cricket, the Beatles and the dear old Queen likened to those inhuman Japs?!?!?! Wait a tick.. Yeah, that’s true. I remember being in England the time of the emperor’s visit and commiserating with the veterans who showed up to turn their backs to him but thinking at the time”Well, it would be a start for us to apologise to the Irish for Cromwell and all. And the subjugation of the Welsh and the Scots….” And then Bristol and the home of the Fab four was built by slavery. And if the natives fought back against maxim guns with anything more than spears they weren’t playing fair etc etc etc.Certainly what the Japanese did in Asia,the British did on a world scale. Still, as I’ve heard it said, better Gandhi dealt with Lord Halifax rather than the French, Von Ribbentrop or any of his anti-Comintern allies….

April 4, 2005 @ 4:53 pm | Comment

Bing, sorry for mistaking you for “the other Bing(feng).” And thanks for the clarification; we are in agreement.

Laird, hilarious comment. I hope everyone appreciates your subtle wit.

April 4, 2005 @ 5:03 pm | Comment

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Not only should Japan get a permanent seat a the security council, but so should Germany, and let’s not forget that other country that represent over 20% of humanity: India. This has nothing to do with what crimes Japan or Germany committed during WWII, and what they did or did not do to repent for their crimes after the war. That should all be dealt with at another arena. What we are dealing with here is a long overdue reform of the UN. Can anyone reasonably explain why France and Britain deserve a permanent seat at the security council while Germany, Japan, and India don’t? The UN will be increasingly irrelevant and become a relict of WWII if these reforms do not get addressed.

April 4, 2005 @ 7:39 pm | Comment

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April 4, 2005 @ 8:00 pm | Comment

“because that’s what westerners are looking for in their media. if we chinese tell them that the truth is CCP didn’t incite hatred against japanese, they won’t believe it, they won’t buy it (…)”

So this argument basically comes down to: “Chinese aren’t racists because their gov’t incites racism, they are racists on their own.”

That’s an improvement? Sounds quite a bit worse to me.

From my experience living in China for over four years now, I would say that Chinese are both innately racist, and that the gov’t encourages it, at least passively.

For example, a demonstration against a developer illegally evicting an entire neighborhood is quite quickly broken up by the police. A protest against a Japanese supermarket is allowed to take place. That may not be “direct incitement”, but it is deliberate nonetheless.

Racism simply has no place in civilized culture. I hope Chinese realize this soon, I hate to see the Chinese people loose so much face on the international stage. 🙁

April 4, 2005 @ 9:22 pm | Comment

Right on, Shanghai.

April 4, 2005 @ 9:30 pm | Comment

“So this argument basically comes down to: “Chinese aren’t racists because their gov’t incites racism, they are racists on their own.”

That’s an improvement? Sounds quite a bit worse to me.”

ok, tell me how US government incites racism among the americans. don’t tell me that there is no recism in the US.

April 4, 2005 @ 9:41 pm | Comment

another question is – why there are so much “racism” against japanese, not that much “racism” against brits, koreans, africans …

it seems to me that richard fails to address this important issue in the peking duck site, almost all the articles selected by richard are about “chinese racism against japanese”.

this just reminds me a smart saying by a former US president, “it is a SOB, but it’s our SOB”

April 4, 2005 @ 9:47 pm | Comment

“Racism simply has no place in civilized culture.”

certainly. nobody disagree with that.

perhaps worshiping mass murderers has a place in civilized culture.

April 4, 2005 @ 9:53 pm | Comment

Shanghai Slim,

As the anonymous poster above your comment have already mentioned, the rioting and window breaking occurred AFTER security personnel tried to quell the initially peaceful protest and the police started arresting protesters. I guess you could argue that it’s all part of the CCP’s devious plan to use police action against the protesters to provoke the protesters into creating a bigger incident, but then you’d have to be really paranoid to believe that.

BTW, I’m not sure how it is in Shanghai, but in the cities that I visit frequently (mainly in northern China), protests against the government over issues such as real estate developments, retirement pensions, bankrupt state owned enterprises, etc are pretty much left alone and allowed to go on for days and sometimes weeks at a time without any action from the police.

April 4, 2005 @ 9:55 pm | Comment

i think i am pretty qualified for editing a report about the anti-japan protest in a west media.

my policy is like this:

1) if chinese police let the protest go on, it is a proof that CCP incites racism against japanese.

2) if chinese police try to stop the protest in the first place, it is a proof that CCP doesn’t allow free speech in china.

3) if chinese police try to stop the protest get violent, it is a proof that CCP want to incide anti-japan racism but got too much international pressure to allow it happen.

4) if chinese police try to protect the japanese store, it is a proof that CCP doesn’t represent the chinese people

…

yeahhhhh

have fun with your everything-is-CCP-fault theory

April 4, 2005 @ 10:05 pm | Comment

“BTW, I’m not sure how it is in Shanghai, but in the cities that I visit frequently (mainly in northern China), protests against the government over issues such as real estate developments, retirement pensions, bankrupt state owned enterprises, etc are pretty much left alone and allowed to go on for days and sometimes weeks at a time without any action from the police.”

true. the local governments are more afraid of reporters from big media, and people know how to use the media to giver pressure to the governments. i know many cases in which people protested for weeks with no results,but as soon as reports appear in newspapers, the officials act as quick as a wild rabbit

April 4, 2005 @ 10:16 pm | Comment

Here’s an article from Ming Pao of Hong Kong (registration required) on the unease among the CCP leadership concerning the recent protests against Japan and the steps the CCP propaganda department is taking to suppress and cool the anti-Japanese fever that’s sweeping China. Measures taken include forbidding any reports of the movement to boycott Japanese goods, and ordering major internet portals such as Sina.com.cn to remove the link to the petition against Japan’s UN bid from the front page of it’s news site.

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April 4, 2005 @ 10:17 pm | Comment

Shanghai Slim,

“So this argument basically comes down to: “Chinese aren’t racists because their gov’t incites racism, they are racists on their own.”

That’s an improvement? Sounds quite a bit worse to me.

From my experience living in China for over four years now, I would say that Chinese are both innately racist, and that the gov’t encourages it, at least passively. ”

So do you call Republicans “racists” for hating French? Aren’t Chinese and Japanese the same race? Did you start calling Chinese racists or someone else?

April 4, 2005 @ 11:20 pm | Comment

Bingfeng,

“1) if chinese police let the protest go on, it is a proof that CCP incites racism against japanese.

2) if chinese police try to stop the protest in the first place, it is a proof that CCP doesn’t allow free speech in china.

3) if chinese police try to stop the protest get violent, it is a proof that CCP want to incide anti-japan racism but got too much international pressure to allow it happen.

4) if chinese police try to protect the japanese store, it is a proof that CCP doesn’t represent the chinese people

”
ROTFLMAO!!!!

April 4, 2005 @ 11:30 pm | Comment

on the contrary to many people’s belief, the chinese government just “returned to normal” in recent years in history education.

If you believe in ‘Shanghai blogger’, then you have to believe in the following:

It is normal to keep silent on that some 30 million perished in early 60’s famine due to Mao’s mismanagement;

It is normal to keep silent on China’s genocide against Uighurs, Tibetans under communist regime;

It is normal to keep silent on the Beijing massacre 16 years ago;

And it’s normal to worship the mass murderers, Mao and Deng;

etc, etc.

April 5, 2005 @ 2:21 am | Comment

Shanghai Slim:

An Afro-American’s personal account about rampant Chinese racism:

http://taiping.blogspot.com/2005/03/mathematics-of-racism-in-china_14.html

Gosh, government-sponsored bloggers need to work harder!

April 5, 2005 @ 2:52 am | Comment

Virtually every expat I have ever met living in China will tell you that racism is hard-wired into the Chinese psyche. It is not at all similar to the Republicans’ attitude toward the French, which is based on politics and France’s sneering at Bush. It is based on the shape of one’s eyes and the color of one’s skin. It’s not racism like Nazi racism, where it was simply a given that Jews were worthy of death. Not at all. But is still discrimination, a commonly held belief that the outside is different and must be treated differrently. Every single non-Chinese person in China knows this. It may be true in other countries as well, but I’ve certainly never experienced anything even close anywhere else.

April 5, 2005 @ 7:51 am | Comment

it seems to me that richard fails to address this important issue in
the peking duck site, almost all the articles selected by richard are
about “chinese racism against japanese”.

I post about what I see in the media. If there are articles on racism against others that you think I should include, forward them to me please. If i think they are relevant, I’ll post it.

April 5, 2005 @ 7:56 am | Comment

tell me how US government incites racism among the americans. don’t
tell me that there is no recism in the US.

Racism is rampant in most societies. It’s a matter of how these feelings are contained and discouraged. It is condemend just about everywhere in America except by the most ignorant and/or crazy citizens (white supremacists, neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan). The idea of a race-based riot in modern America comparable to what we saw last week in China is unthinkable. It would be stopped in its tracks.

April 5, 2005 @ 8:03 am | Comment

Richard,

It is wrong to use the term “racism”. Racist Chinese hating the Japanese or racist French hating the Dutch, etc. They are of the same race. IF Chinese hate white people, you can say it is racism but the Japanese, you can’t. Japanese hate Chinese is still not racism. Chinese and Japanese are not race.

April 5, 2005 @ 9:48 am | Comment

The Tibetan and Uighur separatist cause has always gotten my goat. People throw out the word genocide all the time without even bothering to check either its definition or reality for that matter. Can people such as Bellevue specifically cite Communist Party documents explicitly calling for the extermination of these populations? Can you cite instances where there was a deliberate attempt to put thought into practice and “liquidate” them? The only instance that has any merits is “cultural genocide” as witnessed by the cultural revolution, but that was neither directed at Tibetans or Uighurs but rather at all of China.

April 5, 2005 @ 9:50 am | Comment

JR, whatever. Call it racism, call it xenophobia, call it thirst for revenge or whatever words you choose. But something is moving many Chinese to hatred and even violence against the Japanese to a degree that most onlookers find alarming and without comparison. (The GOP may say they “hate the French,” but when’s the last time we smashed the windows at Louis Vuitton?)

April 5, 2005 @ 10:01 am | Comment

Richard,

LOL, there is actually not a proper English word for people from one country hating another. I watch the Falkland war doc. on TV last night, the Brits did hate the Argentines or vice versa.

April 5, 2005 @ 10:35 am | Comment

Feel unconfortable about the term ‘genocide’? Then change things for the better. You just can’t change the history, just like the Japanese can’t by revising history textbook.

The Chinese genocide against Uighurs and Tibetans are well recorded. For example, everyone from China knows well about general Wang Zhen and his deeds and ‘achievements’- the entire Uighur village flattend by his cannon, etc etc. Don’t play dumb or fool, like I told Steve before. We all came from there, and we know what’s in Chinese psyche and China’s cupboard.

As for the definition, what Pol Pot did in Camboia (backed by Beijing) is also referred to as genocide. The newest China-sponsored genocide is taking place right now in Darfur, Sudan.

April 5, 2005 @ 1:14 pm | Comment

JR,

I was refering to the domestic tensions all across China.

There may not be any here in Chengdu city, but there heavy tensions in Sichuan province.

Didn’t you happen to catch anything about the massive riots last year in the northern part of the province?

April 6, 2005 @ 2:41 am | Comment

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April 6, 2005 @ 8:10 am | Comment

For the laughable defense of Chinese racism on the ground that Japanese are of the same race, read the Chinese response To Kofi Annan:

(translated):

Old N*****, go to see hell!

Really, a dog can’t change its habit of eating s***! N*****, American’s running dog!

Should let this N***** know, messing up with China will have consequences.

April 6, 2005 @ 7:49 pm | Comment

Chengdudude,

“Here’s a link to some more photos (and a video, although my meager share of bandwidth prevents my comment), apparently taken by an American eyewitness and posted on his blog.”

What comments would those be?

“Disclaimer: from a quick glance through his posts it seems that, other than nationality and current whereabouts, I share little in common with this fellow.”

So are you saying that you are a communist sympathizer?

April 7, 2005 @ 6:47 am | Comment

看此博客不留言枉为中国人！

April 11, 2005 @ 11:26 am | Comment

What should we say that’s positive? Right now, I don’t see much that’s positive for China in this incident. Do you?

April 11, 2005 @ 1:10 pm | Comment

I never buy japanese products.

April 13, 2005 @ 9:06 am | Comment

I really don’t know why the japanese administrators keep on playing with fire of distorting history with amending the educational textbook???
why can’t you learn from GERMANY

ADMIT YOU MISTAKE ONCE AND FOR ALL
and get on with living !!!!

why ???

April 15, 2005 @ 12:44 am | Comment

The Japanese trade Minister Shoichi Nakagawa says China is a ‘ SCARY COUNTRY’ I want to say to this moron

who is more scary? …. a nation that refuses to repent of her wrong doings of Killing millions of innocent people and stoop so low of misleading young japanese by cheating and distorting history and not admitting any wrong or crime been committed against not only to CHINA but to whole of ASIA and the
WORLD…..you say ….

who is more scary ????

If that moron Japanese Trade minister Shoich Nakagawa have nothing good to comment …I suggest he better shut up
or we will shut his gap up for him

April 15, 2005 @ 12:52 am | Comment

Sometimes we need to be calm down, I think.

I suppose all the problems come from the gaps of recognition of history, so I suppose Japanese and Chinese should better share what they teach to their children.

One good example is in this article.

http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3856623

According to this article of the ‘Economist’, French and German people decided to share what they would write on their history text books soon after WW2.

And, there will be such an history teaching material soon.
Please read my blog article here.

http://tokyo-diary.blog-city.com/read/1212408.htm

I think it should be a start of tight relationships between east Asian countries, like those of European countries.

April 23, 2005 @ 11:55 am | Comment

i really can not understand the anti-japanese protest. I know their feeling, but,,, how many times do we have to say ” I’m sorry” to Chinese??????????? could you just understand our speak?? really sorry!! but, even i write apologetic for our ancestor, they will not stop the protests. so what are we supposed to do?? someone , please tell me. at last, USA dropped two bombs in Japan, but we do not protest against USA because it happened in the past, that was bad memory, but it’s already over!!! please be adult !!!

April 28, 2005 @ 11:17 pm | Comment

holy smokers

September 26, 2006 @ 5:33 am | Comment