Thanks Richard,

Although I certainly don’t want it to happen, but content like this just begs the question, why hasn’t YouTube been blocked yet?

Here’s the names of four individuals I found on 10 who were once a part of the university I currently work at but am sure the students I currently teach never have and likely never will hear the names of:

胡淑洪
李国瑞
李铿
样文衡

April 6, 2007 @ 9:28 pm | Comment

Thanks for this, Richard – very sobering.

April 7, 2007 @ 4:29 am | Comment

I still haven’t had a chance to watch the film because my computer is in need of medical attention – can’t use youtube. But it’s on my urgent list of must-watch films.

When I clicked the comment button, I didn’t realize I was going to read an argument between ROC and PRC devotees. Here’s what I was going to say:

Mao and Chiang were products of their time. Both believed that only they could save the nation and both ended up doing terrible things. Taiwan has now removed Chiang from the heart of Taipei. It’s time to do the same with Mao in the heart of Beijing.

April 7, 2007 @ 5:45 am | Comment

I would prefer to be beaten to death by a group of girls, rather than a group of boys. But you can bet i would have taken a whole lot of them with me. i can’t believe so many sat back and watched the horror of that time, and did nothing. every day i look at the older people around me here in beijing, and wonder if they beat one of their teachers to death.

i can’t conceive of any of my students behaving like this.

April 7, 2007 @ 7:17 am | Comment

i see the comments from the party faithful have been removed.

thanks, that was truely disturbing.

April 7, 2007 @ 9:49 am | Comment

My computer’s in the shop. Another friend sent me these links but I’ve been unable to watch. Richard, can these be burnt to CD?

April 7, 2007 @ 10:11 am | Comment

Party faithful? Obviously the people here lump the Nationalists and the Communists together. The KMT is the real nationalist party. Though late President Chiang had committed mistakes, he nevertheless preserved the sole remaining “free” territory of Taiwan, Matsu, Kinmen and Penghu and this allowed the ROC to survive.

The very fact the Mao was being used as a national icon irks me totally. The national icon should be Dr Sun and they should destroyed that rat’s masoleum in Beijing and build a Martyr�s Shrine to enshrine the heroes of 1911 revolution and the patriotic Anti-Japanese war there! Screw Mao and his bunch of Chinese killers. They should consign him to the dustbin of history.

April 7, 2007 @ 12:21 pm | Comment

I just hope that people here understand the sentiments of many Chinese people. Imagine America became a commie country and renamed itself as “People’s Republic of the United States” and use an ugly red flag that was just a stupid carbon copy of the Soviet flag. How would you all feel? Its like you love your country, but you hate its flag and its official name. Get the point? You will never understand the pain of those nationalists who are loyal to Dr Sun and the republic, seeing the country being run by faceless Marxists who still pay tribute to a psychotic killer. Its a national shame!

April 7, 2007 @ 12:30 pm | Comment

And while the late President Chiang of the National Government was no saint, he was still a patriot and helped Dr Sun’s revolutionary work in clearing out the warlords in the post Yuan Shi-kai period.

And before the Americans criticised him, let’s put history in proper context. Washington used our ROC so well as a bulwark against communism in Asia and ditched us when you Americans had no more use of us. Taiwan served as a vital anti-communist outpost which contained madman Mao’s ambitions beyond China. Nuclear weapons were positioned in Taiwan by the USA till 1979. Americans criticisins Chiang and the ROC? If Americans wanna find the guilty, they only need to look into the mirror. After all, who abandoned the ROC in 1971 at the UN and broke off ties in 1979?

April 7, 2007 @ 12:40 pm | Comment

Thanks for posting this, Richard.

Unfortunately, this story is just a piece of corn in the ocean of disaster. The deaths that took place before this period were much more, but few people wrote about it and many try to forget.

It is a most sad and unfortunate story, but I’m thankful this man had the courage to share his chapter rather than taking it with him.

Lisa, yes, these can be dowloaded and burned to disk. Once I’ve had a chance to do it, I’ll email you.

April 7, 2007 @ 2:35 pm | Comment

i understood your comments “SP”, and i would never confuse you for a communist. actually i agree with you, i think beijing should surrender to to the KMT.

neither group is very democratic or free though.

April 7, 2007 @ 5:34 pm | Comment

@cat:

Guangzhou hears ya!
http://www.bullog.cn/blogs/wenyunchao/archives/41223.aspx

April 7, 2007 @ 6:58 pm | Comment

First, I agree there should be a Cultural Revolution museum. The sooner the better. It was a horrific time, and it’s in the interests of the Chinese people to remember our mistakes so that we know how to avoid them.

Now, chris, absolutely the old people you see walking around Beijing were involved in crimes just like these. Few may have physically killed someone, but just about any urban Chinese 55-65 participated. They may have just participated in the chaojia, or written dazibao, or maybe were actually vocal or violent in pipan sessions… but *everyone* was involved.

It’s clear many here believe the GPCR is immediately relevant to today’s PRC and/or CPC. The association is obvious: Mao is behind the GPCR, Mao’s face hangs in front of Tiananmen, Mao remains the core symbol of the CPC’s ideology… therefore, the school of thought goes, today’s Party is complicit in the crimes of the ’60s. The Chinese people are the victims here, and as such will inevitable take revenge upon the Party for these crimes.

Wrong.

The victims are the Chinese people, including many of the current members of the Communist Party. The guilty perpetrators are also the Chinese people, including many of the current members of the Communist Party.

The above story of torture/death could’ve just as easily been about Deng Xiaoping or Hu Jintao… and it almost was. Deng Xiaoping’s son was paralyzed after one of these sessions. The president of the PRC Hu Jintao’s father was abused and also died during the GPCR… the 20-something Hu wasn’t given permission to leave his rural work unit to participate in his father’s funeral.

Every (urban) Chinese family has someone who suffered in the Cultural Revolution, and every Chinese family has someone who was the cause of suffering. Trying to draw any connection from that insane period to today’s sane world can only mislead.

The Cultural Revolution was essentially the actions of religious fanatics under the sway of a state religion. World history parallels for the CR would be Catholic inquisitions or New World witch burnings. There is a lesson here for all Chinese, but it has nothing to do with the color of today’s flag.

April 8, 2007 @ 2:59 am | Comment

“i can’t believe so many sat back and watched the horror of that time, and did nothing. every day i look at the older people around me here in beijing, and wonder if they beat one of their teachers to death.”

Like when they all stand around and watch a pedestrian wriggle in pain or just slowly die?

Or when everyone watches a pickpocket at work on the subway?

April 8, 2007 @ 4:09 am | Comment

To CCT:

“it has nothing to do with the color of today’s flag.”

I beg to differ. Yes you are right to point out that everyone in China was in one way or another a victim of CR, including some of the top leaders of the Party itself. But it does not matter how they think about CR and Mao. Why? Because they were the creatures of this totalitarian system. To repudiate CR and Mao would ultimately put their own legitimacy and existence into doubt and question, something which no authoritarian leaders would do, even if it means correcting the wrong and delivering justice.

If you don’t buy my argument, look at the effects of de-Stalinization started by Khrushchev in 1956. Eventually, it put the CPSU’s legitimacy into doubt and lead to the Soviet Union’s demise. I am sure present CCP leaders are worried about that. Thats why they still worship Mao, their dead old ancestor of the Party.

The CR definitely have everything got to do with the color of the flag, CCT. Communism is a violent ideology and believes in the use of brutal and cruel tactics to achieve an utopian vision, ie violence is the justified means to an end. But violence is not something that anyone can control and moderate. Once employed, it gets a life of its own and spins out of control. The CR was one clear example. That’s why CR would never be reexamined as long as the Party is in power. It puts the Party’s place in history and its ideology into question. Once the Party loses history, it would also lose its confidence in future. So your dream of having a CR museum will never ever materialise as long as the Red Flag flies in China.

April 8, 2007 @ 1:51 pm | Comment

“The Cultural Revolution was essentially the actions of religious fanatics under the sway of a state religion. World history parallels for the CR would be Catholic inquisitions or New World witch burnings. There is a lesson here for all Chinese, but it has nothing to do with the color of today’s flag.”

I have problem with this statement. The Cultural Revolution is not the actions of some religious fanatics so to speak, it was the CRIME of Mao, the Red Emperor and his entourage in the party namely, Jiang Qing and her gang as well as figures like Lin Biao against the Chinese people.

In his desperate attempt to preserve his power after his failure in the Great Leap Forward, he decided once and for all to root out his moderate rivals namely Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping. It was a heinous crime of Mao and his radical version of Marxism-Leninism, not what you call “some religious fanatics”, that’s whitewashing history, mind you!

The difference between the Cultural Revolution and the Catholic Inquisition is vast. Thats because the CCP leadership cannot re-examine it as it would question the Party’s legitimacy while John Paul II has already led the Holy See in coming to terms the past crimes that the Roman Catholic Church had committed. You can’t compare an orange and an apple here.

April 8, 2007 @ 5:15 pm | Comment

Mao is revered in China not only as a result of party propaganda (though there is that, of course) but also because many Chinese people view Mao as, essentially, the founder of the country. Recall that prior to the CCP’s accession to power “China” had been carved up, intimidated by, and ultimately invaded by foreign powers. Chiang was viewed by many as insufficiently devoted to repelling the Japanese due to his obsession with stamping out his Communist rivals.

Mao may have been a bastard, but he was the Chinese’s own bastard. That’s an important distinction.

The continuing personality cults surrounding Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam and even Kemal Ataturk in Turkey are not unlike the Chinese affection for Mao.

April 8, 2007 @ 5:17 pm | Comment

“It’s clear many here believe the GPCR is immediately relevant to today’s PRC and/or CPC. The association is obvious: Mao is behind the GPCR, Mao’s face hangs in front of Tiananmen, Mao remains the core symbol of the CPC’s ideology… therefore, the school of thought goes, today’s Party is complicit in the crimes of the ’60s. The Chinese people are the victims here, and as such will inevitable take revenge upon the Party for these crimes.

Wrong.”

CCT, you are the wrong one. As earlier on, i have already explained to you why the current CCP leaders cannot repudiate Mao: He was the party’s dead old ancestor. To criticize Mao and re-assess the Cultural Revolution would put the Party in jeopardy.

Furthermore, the so-called “Mao Zedong Thoughts” is still being enshrined in the CCP’s constitution. The Red Emperor’s thoughts remained as the “Four Cardinal Principles” of the PRC.

So you still want to say that the CR is not relevant to today’s CCP and PRC? If not, why did the current leaders of the CCP forbid any official discussion of the CR and it remains a taboo subject? Simple: they feared letting the genie of history out of the bottle.

Pls be a responsible Chinese and face our history truthfully. I have seen enough apologists for the communist regime and i am sick of it. To defend Mao in anyway is in itself being unpatriotic to the Chinese nation. Think of the 30million Chinese lives lost before you speak for Mao and the CCP. It is as good as speaking up for the Japanese Imperial Army.

April 8, 2007 @ 5:42 pm | Comment

Matt,

The truth is the founder of modern China and “Father of the Chinese nation” is not mad Mao, but Dr Sun Yat-sen. Dr Sun was the one who overthrew the 5000 years old dynastic rule in 1911. That was a watershed for the Chinese people.

Mao was seen as “founder” of “New China”, due to propanganda and the “New China” was actually ruled by a “new” emperor called Mao Zedong. The CCP is a “newer” version of imperial court mandarins. Basically , the “New China” is actually the old feudal China which is more efficient in killing people than its ancient predecessors.

April 8, 2007 @ 5:48 pm | Comment

Richard, the videos are very disturbing..

For one moment, i thought the Red Guards were trained by the Japanese Imperial Army in their cruel acts. Cultural Revolution is Rape of Nanking II.

April 8, 2007 @ 6:39 pm | Comment

THM,

How do you download videos from youtube?

April 9, 2007 @ 10:53 am | Comment

At least Chiang Kai Shek was attempting to stop the Japanese, which is more than can be said of Mao…

Incidently it wasn’t the Chinese that defeated the Japanese anyway. It was the Americans, without them China might be a little more different than it is today.

April 9, 2007 @ 5:51 pm | Comment

Guy,

I don’t think you should belittle China’s role in the ultimate defeat of Japan. Yes, the US dropped the atomic bomb on Japan etc etc… But the Japanese got bogged down in China, they simply took on too much. They had to deploy large forces to maintain control in China and the Nationalists retreated to the stronghold of Chungking to put up fierce resistance. China was definitely a major factor as to why they were eventually outgunned by the Allies. In short, their China campaign drained them such that they could not concentrate all resources in fighting the US in the Pacific. The Americans recognised the importance of tying down the Japanese in China by supplying the Chinese through the Burma Road and send Joseph Stilwell to coordinate war efforts in China.

So stop being an arrogant arse. The victory belongs to all Allied powers.

April 9, 2007 @ 6:13 pm | Comment

Hi Sp

I agree with you in that the victory in the pacific was due to a variety of countires all working together to defeat the Japanese, as they did exactly the same as the Germans did by getting bogged down on a war on two fronts, never a sound tactical decision,

I am certainly not belittling China’s contribution. Chiang Kai Shek and his forces fought many battles against the Japanese, not many so successfully but ultimately to the benefit of everyone in the area, However my point is what support did Mao provide in fighting the Japanase? If I listen to the local propoganda here in China the war against Japan was won by the Chinese (in other words Mao), America and Chiang Kai Shek were purely in a supporting role.

April 10, 2007 @ 12:07 pm | Comment

@sp

whilst i would not argue that the chinese who fought the japanese were not brave, their contribution was minor, in much the same way the contribution of powers other than the us and russia was minor. (and i say that as a brit)

you can’t compare the us-japanese pacific and the sino-japanese war as they were largely separate. the war against the us had little to do with ground forces – it was won and lost on the sea and in the air. this was the key to defeating the japanese – once you have control of the seas you can squeeze them as japan is an island of few resources, relying on its control of the seas and air to survive. japanese forces in china had little to do with it.

April 10, 2007 @ 9:09 pm | Comment

Si

You are right that most of the decisive battles against the Japs were air and sea battles because of the geographical makeup of the Asia-Pacific region. However, you overlooked the fact that Japan is an island with minimal raw materials. That was why they invaded China. To support their war industries, they need lots of oil, coal, which is plentiful in China especially in Manchuria. Without such resources, their war machine would ground to a halt. Thats why mainland China was also an important war theatre. If China had surrendered, it would guarantee undisrupted flow of resources for Japan’s war industries, something that would be disastrous for the US war effort in the Pacific.

Thats why the Japs utilized so much of their forces to put down resistance in China and set up puppet govts there.

April 10, 2007 @ 9:45 pm | Comment

“”””””Now, chris, absolutely the old people you see walking around Beijing were involved in crimes just like these. Few may have physically killed someone, but just about any urban Chinese 55-65 participated. They may have just participated in the chaojia, or written dazibao, or maybe were actually vocal or violent in pipan sessions… but *everyone* was involved.

It’s clear many here believe the GPCR is immediately relevant to today’s PRC and/or CPC. The association is obvious: Mao is behind the GPCR, Mao’s face hangs in front of Tiananmen, Mao remains the core symbol of the CPC’s ideology… therefore, the school of thought goes, today’s Party is complicit in the crimes of the ’60s. The Chinese people are the victims here, and as such will inevitable take revenge upon the Party for these crimes.

Wrong.”””””””””

This is absolutely crucial in understanding todays Chinese society. The people of China are not allowed to denounce these evil campaigns right? That would undermine the CCP legitimacy so its not allowed, that is to say that the Chinese people are still told to believe these acts were correct and necessary and that overall these evil campaigns were good deeds of the CCP and at worste there were a few “mistakes” So the Chinese people today are still led to believe that these crimes were essentially patriotic and righteous in some way… According to CCP propaganda Mao is still a great whatever.

So those old men and ladies walking around these days have been guided by the CCP to appreciate such campaigns and are not supposed to denounce this type of evil. What kind of society do you think China is cultivating hmm?

When all the evil done by the CCP is denounced then I will believe that China has changed.

April 12, 2007 @ 8:33 am | Comment

“i can’t believe so many sat back and watched the horror of that time, and did nothing. every day i look at the older people around me here in beijing, and wonder if they beat one of their teachers to death.”

Can you believe that the same thing is happening against Falun Gong? When I watched the video all I can think is about how this is happening again and so many people just stand around and watch. They dehumanize Falun Gong in accordance with the rumours and hate propaganda.

Falun Gong practitioners are thrown into torture places where they are beaten to submission or death. The worste part is the apathy of the people who can actually speak up. The people of China are rotten, they have participated in so many hate campaigns and are numb to muder and even organ harvesting. The Chinese people have been ruinned by the CCP and cannot tell good from bad and right from wrong. But the Chinese are a very special people and they have (had at least) a sense of spirit, like the old man in the video who lives his life to do his duty of telling the truth, what a special man. Are there others like him who will tell the truth and who actually care about values and justice?

Maybe I’m being to extreme, but I just dont know how people can turn a blind eye to the persecution of Falun Gong. it is the same as the cultural revolution only the hate propaganda is done more subtley and the torture is more brutal, but they have learned to keep those acts underground this time.

April 12, 2007 @ 8:42 am | Comment

To Snow:

“The Chinese people have been ruinned by the CCP and cannot tell good from bad and right from wrong….” bla…bla…bla..those sentences are extremely humiliating and wrong. You can’t say those words just based on pieces of bad information you got from anti-CCP media. It is even worse that you began to judge Chinese people.

Where do you hear about Falun Gong? Have you been to China and see those people being tortured by CCP? Dont you think the “Chinese newspapers” in States have CCP hate propaganda? You must think everything in States people say about China is true because US is a more free nation…huh?

Sometimes I wanted to laugh when I see so many anti-CCP statements. Please go to China and at least talk to some Chinese people. Things are not like what you hear in States, or what you see in newspaper….

I know many Falun Gongers in China, one of them was my roommate in college. He is just fine right now. Have you ever read any Falun Gong books? I read it because i wanted to understand why so many people will trust the anti-science stuff…. I was quite surprised and angry about the book. it says if you believe the Master (Li Hongzhi), you will not have to take medicines when you are sick. These nonsenses are just so anti-human. One guy I knew of died because he did not want to go to the hospital when he was sick. A mom killed her little daughter because she believe the way for her daughter to the heaven is golden based on the Falun Gong book. Those are what happened for Falun Gongers in China, do you know about that?

I tried to persuade many of my friends in China to come to US. They just dont want to because they live a pretty happy life there.

Chinese are open-minded and welcome your criticism.

They just lead a much much happier time than you think they do.

April 14, 2007 @ 5:12 am | Comment

“Chinese are open-minded and welcome your criticism.”

Oh I bet this is true. In fact, I know it to be true. They are so understandingly tolerant.

ROFLMAO!

April 14, 2007 @ 8:42 pm | Comment

When Bush sent more and more american army to the death front in Iraq, what were you guys doing? Complaining??? What else???

You guys push him to the President position with your cherished votes, let alone many americans even dont vote but they are also good at complaining….If you go to China, we also have so many people like you guys complaining about the government. Technically, Chinese are not tolerant at all. So dont think americans are so special..

You will more likely to be satisfied with the policies when you are the President….lol… But please remember, Bush is not the only bad guy in your government who make those policies. He himself does not have the ability to make decisions. Bush might feel undeserved when he was blamed by a lot of americans. Dont be so shallow-headed that anything wrong about the government is due to the President….That is something I really dont like in America.

In contrast, Chinese are more open-minded…

Most Chinese are not satisfied with the current governments’ policies at all. But they dont blame HU JINTAO and WEN JIABAO, who are chairman and premiere of China, respectively. They know that the two guys have to deal with so many high-level government officers in the old system. It is not like you are the chairman/president, you can decide everything. Every reform they perform will definitely benefit a lot of people whereas weakening others. If we see they have the desire to make China stronger and make the word more peaceful, we will support them.

In most chinese eyes, Mao is generally a great guy. He surely has done some bad things especially in his old age. Once again, it was not only him who made those decisions, sometimes he was even befooled….He was once deceived by the fake reports from officers and in a certain amount of time he did not even know how chinese people was suffering. But once he saw the real situation, he cried….One hero can not make China today, there are a lot of heroes, Mao is just one of them, and most of the time he is regarded as the representative of them, similar to the way you americans see Lincoln.

April 15, 2007 @ 3:33 am | Comment

The so called “truth”:

I stand by what I said in my above comment about modern Chinese people being still very messed up and weird since they are still forced to believe people like Mao were good. You can see in these videos that Mao wanted the Chinese people to be violent. This is well documented fact. His ideology required the Chinese people to totally loose their cultural beliefs and just act in a very coldblooded way. Mao used this brainwashing and intigating people to be crazy as a way of turning Chinese people into something different, tools for the mechanism of his plan to dominate the world.

My job as a citizen of the world is to understand what kind of evil the persecutions the CCP is coercing over 1/5 of the world to take part in. One thing I’ve learned so far is that you can’t trust anyone who wants to follow the CCP, because they are crazy. Someone who follows the CCP thinks it’s ok to kill innocent people, to lie to everyone and has a very backward ideology.

Mao would never cry for the people of China. Maos ideology required exactly the terrorizing and slaughter of Chinese. Do you not admit that Mao was a terrorist, using persecution and fear to make all Chinese submit to his cult?

This is fact and that has not changed.

Mao said that power lies in the barrel of a gun, for one thing, there is so much evidence that Mao and the communist party of China do not tolerate peace. Peace does not promote the extreme submission that they require. They need to make chaos so as to appear to be needed by the people. If the CCP would get lost, people would loose the communist weird culture and realize that they are in fact not too stupid to run the country in a positive way.

April 15, 2007 @ 11:20 am | Comment

so called “truth”

“I know many Falun Gongers in China, one of them was my roommate in college. He is just fine right now. Have you ever read any Falun Gong books? I read it because i wanted to understand why so many people will trust the anti-science stuff…. I was quite surprised and angry about the book. it says if you believe the Master (Li Hongzhi), you will not have to take medicines when you are sick. These nonsenses are just so anti-human. One guy I knew of died because he did not want to go to the hospital when he was sick. A mom killed her little daughter because she believe the way for her daughter to the heaven is golden based on the Falun Gong book. Those are what happened for Falun Gongers in China, do you know about that?”

Well, again someone who was raised on communist propaganda cant really be a good critic of a spiritual practice so when you say “anti science” do you mean that it talks about Gods and Buddhas? See that the thing is that from your perspective maybe you see it as anti science but all spiritual teachings seem farfetched, they are out of the ordinary and yes, different from what you read in science textbooks, especially what theyve got you thinking over in China. But just cause something talks differently from the science textbooks doesnt mean its “anti science”. There are a lot of scientists who practice Falun Gong.

For example, the theory of evolution of Darwin is just a theory. A lot of the stuff in science text books are theories of how and why thing work the way they do. But do the scientists know for sure that it is fact? No. In China they want you to be very convinced due to alterior motives, but the theory of evolution is just a theory and a good scientist acknowledges that. A good scientist will reach beyond what is already learned. There are lots of scientific theories that support all sorts of neat things that arent in the text books.

Chinese people do not have the pleasure of exploring beyond the boundaries of the textbooks because they have been brainwashed to believe in certain absolutes. But if you check out the more advanced scienctific research and vary your sources you can find loads of stuff that is way different from the way we thought awhile back. Life is actually pretty extraoridinary and “supernormal”.

I’m not saying that people should not take their medicine if they need it. If they need medicine they should take it. i think Falun Gong makes that point clear as well.And as for the supposed incident of a mother killing ehr daughter, well thats bulloney cause I have read Falun Gong books and it is crystal clear that killing is NO good. It describes how one enlightens and becomes a Buddha in detail, there is nothing there about killing or dying whatsoever. So if you have any integrity dont spread lies like that.

Look at Taiwan, tons of peopel practice Falun Gong there and none of the bad stuff said by the CCP manifests there at all. And if Falun Gong really committed any crime why doesnt the CCP allow the media to report freely? Why dont they let foreign media have a look?

April 15, 2007 @ 11:35 am | Comment

@The truth

“In most chinese eyes, Mao is generally a great guy. He surely has done some bad things especially in his old age. Once again, it was not only him who made those decisions, sometimes he was even befooled….He was once deceived by the fake reports from officers and in a certain amount of time he did not even know how chinese people was suffering. But once he saw the real situation, he cried….One hero can not make China today, there are a lot of heroes, Mao is just one of them, and most of the time he is regarded as the representative of them, similar to the way you americans see Lincoln.”

Another unrepetant Mao apologist here. I really feel very sorry for our own race. Seeing Chinese themselves being so forgiving towards a scum who had killed 30 million of his own people just to achieve his own selfish political ambitions.

Of course they have to deceive him with fake reports in the disastrous Great Leap Forward. Mao was the Red Emperor. Before the Great Leap Forward, he already killed so many in his infamous 1957 “Anti-Rightists Campaign”. He created a regime based on terror and fear. And you put the blame on those who deceived him with their fake reports? Instead of pointing out the real culprit, you tried to marginalise Mao’s murderous role in his own crimes against the Chinese people?

The decision to launched the Great Leap Forward was his own, entirely his own. He wanted to show the Soviets that he was the leading communist in the world the GLF was an attempt to rebuff the Soviet model of development. Moderates in Liu Shaoqi were against it. But Mao stubbornly carried the GLF, with disastrous results for the Chinese people. So many died baecuse of the ego of one monstrous tyrant. When Peng Dehuai spoke out against the GLF, he was quickly purged by Mao.

With the failure of the GLF, the Red Emperor was increasingly overshadowed by the moderate Liu-Deng faction in the Party. He could not bear to see his complete domination of the Party being eroded away by their reforms. So he launched the Cultural Revolution, in already to purge Deng and Liu, labeled them as “capitalist roaders” and unleashed the violence of the Red Guards. The “Shanghai Peoples’ Commune” seized power from the Shanghai Municipal Government under the personal order from Mao. The Cutural Revolution was an attempt to consolidate his own personal power after his failure in the GLF. Again, the Chinese people suffered because of the Red Emperor’s own thirst for personal power and created a cult of personality aropund himself. Yet you claimed that he was misguided by others? Without his authority, would Jiang Qing and her gang be able to do all the evils?

This is a shameless attempt to minimize Mao’s own responsibilities in his crimes against the Chinese nation. Its is no different from the way the Japanese right wingers try to minimize the role of the Japanese Imperial Army in the Nanking massacre and kinapping women to be sex slaves. You shamelessly whitewash history for Mao!

Maoist apologists like you are not different from Chinese traitors and collaborationists. In your undying worship of Mao, you can overlooked the deaths of 30 million of your own people at his hands. Mao can definitely rest in peace with personal fans like you who still call him “a great guy”.

Please do not insult Lincoln. While he kept the Union intact and outlawed slavery in the South, Mao was a monster who was willing to sacrifice millions of his own people to further his own personal ambitions.

Instead of calling your self “the truth”, you should call yourself “The Pravda”.

April 15, 2007 @ 7:14 pm | Comment

@ the “truth”,

“When Bush sent more and more american army to the death front in Iraq, what were you guys doing? Complaining??? What else???

You guys push him to the President position with your cherished votes, let alone many americans even dont vote but they are also good at complaining….If you go to China, we also have so many people like you guys complaining about the government. Technically, Chinese are not tolerant at all. So dont think americans are so special..

You will more likely to be satisfied with the policies when you are the President….lol… But please remember, Bush is not the only bad guy in your government who make those policies. He himself does not have the ability to make decisions. Bush might feel undeserved when he was blamed by a lot of americans. Dont be so shallow-headed that anything wrong about the government is due to the President….That is something I really dont like in America.

In contrast, Chinese are more open-minded…”

In a democracy, the people elect their leaders to rule the country on their behalf. That’s representative democracy. In such a democratic setting, the leaders are the people’s and the country’s servants, the power ultimately rests with the people. Of course the people have all the right to hold their leaders accountable for their policies and decisions, incleding the right to question them. That includes “complaining” if you wish to put it that way. But in politics and as a democratic leader, one has to take criticisms in stride. Its part and parcel of democratic politics. Thise who cannot stand criticism should not be in politics. After all, as Truman had put it, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.” Only emperors and dictators are unable to tolerate any sort of criticisms.

Of course you criticise the President. He is the chief executive and head of government. Those were his decisions. He is the boss. When your subordinates screws up, you have to take responsibility. That’s leadership. As leader, you take responsibilty for your decisions, you have the final say. When a company screws up, you look for the CEO right? Don’t tell me you are gonna look for his secretary or his clerk to account for the mess.

April 16, 2007 @ 12:44 am | Comment

SNOW: “Chinese people do not have the pleasure of exploring beyond the boundaries of the textbooks because they have been brainwashed to believe in certain absolutes……” bla..bla..bla….You should at least exclude those who practise Falun Gong in China, in your logic, right?

PLEASE!!! Please stop making nonsense like that, which will more you more and more mean…If you think I was wrong, just say something bad about me. Do not embroil other innocent Chinese, OK? I am sure many Chinese may not agree with me in many aspects. But we have something in common, that is we love our country and proud of being Chinese.

You just like to humiliate Chinese as a whole, dont you? Your behavior is not much different from Nazi in terms of racism. I feel very sorry about that. I met a lot of open-minded americans and a few shallow headed ones like you here in US, but I would not judge Americans by all means. I think that is the difference…

Your job is NOT as “a citizen of the world” but a “cynic” of the world. You apparently read many “english” history books about China and heard/read a lot of anti-China propaganda, and began to criticize CCP and Chinese people ever since. I have experienced how cynical you have grown to be….and I can even imagine what you are going to do next……lol

You need to be open-minded…I am serious.:)

Im done with this and need to go back to my science paper now.

April 16, 2007 @ 4:17 am | Comment

SNOW: “I have read Falun Gong books and it is crystal clear that killing is NO good. It describes how one enlightens and becomes a Buddha in detail, there is nothing there about killing or dying whatsoever. ” …

Snow, you are lying…OK? You apparently haven’t read any Falun Dafa books.

Here is the link: http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/zfl_new.pdf

Go ahead and read it!!!

Falun Gong book is not “about how one enlightens and becomes a Buddha in detail”, it is just a lowclass fiction which distorts traditional Chinese Qig Gong and Buddhism and tried to make up something which can explain the mysteries in the universe. Of course there are so many mysteries in the world which can not be explained by science right now. Falun Gong is just a speculator of religion and science, and some people are just fooled.

All the movements in Falun Dafa are combined by Thailand dancing and Qi Gong. Li Hongzhi (the Master of Falun Gong) changed his real birthday in his ID in 1994 to Sakyamuni’s birthday and made the fake resume to cheat those practitoners. Below is the cotents of ZHUANg FALUN, which is the core book of Falun Gong. I list the link to the book above. If you feel boring some day, go read some paragraphs. They are just laughable and totally boloney.

Contents:

ON BUDDHA LAW……………………………………………………………………………………………….1
THE FIRST TALK………………………………………………………………………………………………..1
Truly Guiding People Up to High Levels ……………………………………………………………….1
Different Levels Have Different Laws ……………………………………………………………………4
One Standard Alone Determines if Someone is Good or Bad: Whether He is Able to be
True, Good, and Endure ……………………………………………………………………………………….7
Qigong is Part of Prehistoric Culture ……………………………………………………………………..8
Qigong is About Cultivation ……………………………………………………………………………….11
Why Doing Cultivation Exercises Doesn’t Increase Gong ………………………………………13
Falun Dafa’s Special Features ……………………………………………………………………………..19
THE SECOND TALK ………………………………………………………………………………………….24
About the Third Eye …………………………………………………………………………………………..24
The Ability of Remote Vision ……………………………………………………………………………..32
The Ability of Knowing Fate ………………………………………………………………………………33
Beyond the Five Elements, and Leaving the Three Realms……………………………………..36
Wanting to Get Things ……………………………………………………………………………………….40
THE THIRD TALK……………………………………………………………………………………………..46
I am Taking All Students as Disciples ………………………………………………………………….46
Buddhist Qigong and Buddhism ………………………………………………………………………….47
In Cultivation You Need to Commit to One Discipline …………………………………………..50
Abilities and Potency …………………………………………………………………………………………52
Reverse Cultivation and Gong Borrowing …………………………………………………………….53
Spirit Possession………………………………………………………………………………………………..57
Cosmic Language ………………………………………………………………………………………………62
The Things Your Teacher Gives His Students ……………………………………………………….63
Energy Field ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..68
How Falun Dafa Students Should Spread the Practice ……………………………………………69
THE FOURTH TALK………………………………………………………………………………………….72
Loss and Gain ……………………………………………………………………………………………………72
Transforming Karma ………………………………………………………………………………………….73
Improving Character ………………………………………………………………………………………….79
Buddhist Anointment …………………………………………………………………………………………83
Placement of the Mysterious Pass ………………………………………………………………………..86
THE FIFTH TALK………………………………………………………………………………………………91
The Law Wheel Design ………………………………………………………………………………………91
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The Qimen Practices ………………………………………………………………………………………….93
Practicing in an Evil Way……………………………………………………………………………………94
Male-Female Dual Cultivation…………………………………………………………………………….96
Dual Cultivation of Nature and Longevity…………………………………………………………….97
Law Bodies ……………………………………………………………………………………………………….99
Buddha Image Consecration ……………………………………………………………………………….99
The Subject of Sorcery ……………………………………………………………………………………..104
THE SIXTH TALK ……………………………………………………………………………………………106
Qigong Psychosis …………………………………………………………………………………………….106
Attracting Demons in Qigong ……………………………………………………………………………112
Breeding Demons in Your Own Mind ………………………………………………………………..117
Your Master Consciousness Needs to be Strong ………………………………………………….121
Your Thoughts Have to be Proper………………………………………………………………………121
Martial Arts Qigong …………………………………………………………………………………………126
Showing Off ……………………………………………………………………………………………………129
THE SEVENTH TALK………………………………………………………………………………………133
On Killing……………………………………………………………………………………………………….133
On Eating Meat ……………………………………………………………………………………………….136
Jealousy ………………………………………………………………………………………………………….140
On Healing ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..144
Hospital Treatments and Qigong Treatments……………………………………………………….147
THE EIGHTH TALK…………………………………………………………………………………………151
Bigu Fasting ……………………………………………………………………………………………………151
Stealing Qi ………………………………………………………………………………………………………152
Gathering Qi ……………………………………………………………………………………………………154
The One Who Practices Gets the Gong……………………………………………………………….156
The Cosmic Orbit …………………………………………………………………………………………….161
Being Too Engrossed ……………………………………………………………………………………….168
Minding Your Speech ………………………………………………………………………………………169
THE NINTH TALK……………………………………………………………………………………………172
Qigong and Athletics ………………………………………………………………………………………..172
Thoughts …………………………………………………………………………………………………………174
A Calm Mind…………………………………………………………………………………………………..178
A Person’s Base ………………………………………………………………………………………………182
Enlightenment …………………………………………………………………………………………………184
A Person With Great Spiritual Inclination …………………………………………………………..188

April 16, 2007 @ 5:57 am | Comment

I swear by the sweat of Mao’s lone dead testicle that had to take an incredible long time for you to post all of that.

April 16, 2007 @ 6:17 am | Comment

aw…I swear by the sweat of Mister Tea’s lone dead testicle that I indeed took some time to find the website of Falun Gong and downloaded some stupid Falun Gong books. I even wanted to read more and find more evidence from these books to disclose the falsehood and fatuity of Falun Gong….But I just realized it was wasting my time because as long as a sane person begins to read it, he/she will find so much mendacity and fraudulence in these books. It does not need my re-word.

What I can do is to provide the original source and let people see the true face of Falun Gong and tell right from wrong by themselves.

April 16, 2007 @ 10:07 am | Comment

”””””””””SNOW: “I have read Falun Gong books and it is crystal clear that killing is NO good. It describes how one enlightens and becomes a Buddha in detail, there is nothing there about killing or dying whatsoever. ” …

Snow, you are lying…OK? You apparently haven’t read any Falun Dafa books.

Here is the link: http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/zfl_new.pdf

Go ahead and read it!!!”””””””””””

But I have read it and what I said is true. Its strange how two people can read the same thing and get two different ideas. I don’t have a problem with you and your personal experience with this practice, whether you think its not true according to the way you see things and what you think, but you go way too far in your opinion. You can not exactly prove that Falun Gong is not true. You can’t exactly say that the writer was thinking such and such and that he is copying some Thai dancing or whatever.

Lot’s of people read that book and find that the writer seems genuine and that the principles are in line with what they consider practical and good. I have had this experience.

I dont think you could have read it though cause as I read it I found that the whole thing was always discussing attainment of enlightenment. That is the goal of the practice.

As for the supernormal stuff like third eye, levitation, tranquility, reduced aging and other supernormal stuff, you can actually try the practice out for awhile and see if these things manifest. I dont think you can because you would have the wrong kind of intention, but thats just to say that the reason why so many people follow that practice is at least in part because what the teacher says in the book really manifests, very supernormal things can happen if you practice this way. I have experienced some pretty amazing things after only trying it out.

April 16, 2007 @ 12:19 pm | Comment

“”””””PLEASE!!! Please stop making nonsense like that, which will more you more and more mean…If you think I was wrong, just say something bad about me. Do not embroil other innocent Chinese, OK? I am sure many Chinese may not agree with me in many aspects. But we have something in common, that is we love our country and proud of being Chinese.

You just like to humiliate Chinese as a whole, dont you? Your behavior is not much different from Nazi in terms of racism.”””””””””

Friend dont you see? Communism and the CCP movement in China is anti-China.. I think that term is overused in propaganda but in this circumstance I’ll use it… China is hot stuff, your culture is totally superb ok..

Marxism and al that social darwinism and garbage was imported from the west, its so oooooo Anti China!!

Just look at the cultural revolution dear, what was the goal? ANTI CHINA. Look what happened to intellectual critique, the pride of modern Chinese culture, the CCP has disallowed it totally. ANTI CHINA. The CCP used the Chinese people as tools to do the will of the party, the party comes always above China. The people are told that they may have no rights because the party has to have longevity at all costs. ANTI CHINA.

What is China to you? Yu no false pride is so dumb.. When someone has false pride they feel they are hot stuff anf that they are on top of the world but everyone else is not fooled, only they themselves are fooled by false pride.

Do you want to protect yourself from humiliation by not letting people criticise you and taking away their rights to think and talk, like the CCP???

Or do you want to actually be respected? Do you want to DESERVE respect and be able to hold your head up and say that you do not persecute Chinese?

Again, what is being Chinese to you? If being Chinese means covering up the CCPs evil then yuck, Chinese is so gross.

But Chinese is not that I dont think. If you had cancer would you try to root it out or would you try to hide it away from the surface? It takes a big person to face things and fix them up, it only takes a coward to follow the CCP.

I’m not judging you… This is just what I think.. I think the CCP is anti China according to my understanding of what it means to be chinese…

April 16, 2007 @ 12:33 pm | Comment

Snow: Are you proud of being an American? …if the anwer is no, I will certainly understand based on your logic.

But if the anwer is Yes, then I will ask: “Do you think the current government did what you expected? Do you think Bush was right to send those troops to the death front? “…ok, now…..are you still proud of being an american?. IF yes, can I say that is false pride too??? lol

Culture Resolotion was definitely a disaster for Chinese people. Although I was born long after that, my parents and some old folks told me a lot of absurd stories about those days. I could not even believe people were just so crazy at that time, at least some of them. But things were so complicated…. But soon after Culture Resolution, Chinese new leader Deng Xiaoping redressed a lot of mishandled cases and deperged a lot of innocent people….

OK, Let’s just assume it is CCP’s fault on Culture Resolution, what shall I do? What shall all the young people do? Do we need to gather around and discuss how to overturn CCP one day? or shall I bring all your ideas back to China and let Chinese people see the “truth” and start to hate their country?

In your logic, what do we need to do about Germany, regarding their crime in the WW2? Shall we go to Germany and do something, at least kill the rest of the Nazi members or whatever? Or, you will say you have forgiven them.

OK, if we can forgive another country, why cant we forgive our own???!!!

China has changed several generations of leaders since Mao, why do you still so fixated on Mao? Because he is the icon??? Do you think as long as Chinese disbelieve Mao, they will start to disbelieve the current CCP and finally overturn it one day? Is that what you want?

China is growing. We need a long peaceful time to develop our economy since we started with a way too huge-population and as a very poor country. Referring to the large population..poor people, rich people, officers, peasants, workers……Do you think you can easily carry out some reform which benefits everyone??? Do you think it is easy to lead a country with more than one billion people? I am certainly not proud of that, but I understand that.

As young generations, they need to know the lessons from the history, but they definitely need to take MUCH MORE time to look forward.

April 16, 2007 @ 2:52 pm | Comment